From: Zenaan Harkness <[email protected]> to Cypherpunks with a forged header (?)
To: Jim <[email protected]> (Or maybe something's broken somewhere... see bottom for full header) The Russians play chess. Americans play poker. US Foreign policy doesn't stand a chance in the "Great Game", which is much more like chess. RR On 10/08/2015 06:00 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Putin is nothing if not consistent - great to see :) > Z > > > On 10/8/15, Jim <[email protected]> wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kenneth Barrett >> To: undisclosed-recipients: >> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 3:57 AM >> Subject: President Vladimir Putin Tells USA Journalist How The USA Is >> Supporting ISIS. >> >> >> TUESDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2015 >> President Vladimir Putin Tells USA Journalist How The USA Is Supporting >> ISIS >> >> UPDATED OCTOBER 3, 2015 >> >> In a press conference at the Valdai Discussion Club 2014 in answer to a >> question to a United States Journalist, President Vladimir Putin addressed >> his concerns regarding the US and their role in the middle east and ISIS. >> Although the film footage of the press conference has been banned, Live >> leaks released a copy of the press conference to the public. The words of >> Putin are transcribed below word for word from the video originally provided >> by Inessa S. >> >> The press and mainstream news has been avoiding this information. It is a >> scathing , diplomatic account of Russia’s position on the politic behavior >> and actions in the middle east regarding Syria and ISIS, as well as a >> reprimand to our press who have failed to do their job. >> >> Putin’s complete oration to the US Journalists: >> >> First point. I never said that I view the US as a threat to our national >> security. President Obama, as you said, views Russia as a threat, but I >> don’t feel the same way about the US. What I do feel is that the politics of >> those in the circles of power, if I may use those terms, the politics of >> those in power is erroneous. It not only contradicts our national interests, >> it undermines any trust we had in the United States. And in that way it >> actually harms the United states as well. >> >> Undermined trust, with the understanding that they are one of the global >> leaders in politics and in matters of the economy. >> >> I can stay silent on many things, but as I always say, and Dominic here has >> mentioned it, “one sided actions” in the continuous search for the next >> “alliance” and coalitions which are predetermined – this is not a method >> that seeks to discus and agree on mutual grounds of understanding. These are >> one sided actions. They are carried out all the time. They lead to crises. >> >> I’ve said this before, another threat that President Obama mentioned was >> ISIS. Well who on earth armed them? Who armed the Syrians that were fighting >> with Assad? Who created the necessary political information and climate that >> facilitated this situation? >> >> Who pushed for the delivery of arms to the area? Do you really not >> understand who is fighting in Syria? >> >> They are mercenaries mostly. Do you understand they are paid money? >> Mercenaries fight for which ever side pays more. So they arm them and pay >> them a certain amount. I even know what these amounts are. So they fight. >> They have the arms. You can’t get them to return the weapons of course, at >> the end. >> >> Then they discover elsewhere pays a little more…so they go fight there. Then >> they occupy the oil fields. >> >> Where ever in Iraq, Syria, they start extracting the oil and this oil is >> purchased by somebody. Where are the sanctions on the parties purchasing >> this oil? >> >> Do you believe the US does not know who is buying it? Is it not their allies >> that are buying oil from Isis? Do you not think the US has the power to >> influence their allies? Or is the point that they indeed do not wish to >> influence them? >> >> Then why bomb ISIS? In areas they started extracting oil and paying >> mercenaries more in theose areas the rebels from “civilized” Syrian >> opposition forces immediately join ISIS, because they pay more. I consider >> this absolutely unprofessional politics. It is not grounded on facts, in the >> real world. >> >> We must support civilized, democratic opposition in Syria. So you support, >> arm them, and then tomorrow they join ISIS. Can they not think a step ahead? >> We don’t stand for this kind of politics of the US. We consider it to be >> wrong. It harms all parties, including you (USA). >> >> When it comes to the consideration of our national interests I would really >> like it if people like you (US journalists) who posed the questions, would >> one day head your government. Maybe then we can somehow reverse the >> situation. >> >> If that doesn’t happen, I will at least ask you to deliver my messages to >> your government. To the President of the United States, the Vice President, >> and all other relevant people. Tell them that we do not want or look for any >> confrontation whatsoever. When you start to consider our national interests >> in your actions, any other disagreements we may have they will >> self-regulate. This needs to be done, not just talked about. You must >> consider the interests of others, and you must respect other people. >> >> You cannot “squeeze” others having considered only the benefits that you >> require from whatever… in economies, in your military activities, in >> everything. Look at Iraq the situation is terrible. Look at Libya and what >> you did there, that got your ambassador murdered. >> >> Was it us that did this? >> >> You even had a security council decision to establish a no fly zone. What >> for? It was so that Gaddafi’s air force couldn’t fly over and bomb the >> rebels. This wasn’t the smartest decision, but okay… what did you proceed to >> do yourselves? You started bombing the territory. This is in clear >> contravention of the security council resolution. It is even outright >> aggression over a state. Was it us that did this? You did this with your >> bare hands. >> >> And it ended with the murder of your Ambassador. Who’s fault is it? It is >> your fault. Is it a good result that your Ambassador was murdered? It is >> actually a terrible catastrophe. >> >> But do not look around for somebody to blame when it is you making these >> mistakes. You must do the opposite; rise above the endless desire to >> dominate. You must stop acting out of imperialistic ambitions. Do not poison >> the consciousness of millions of people like there can be no other way but >> imperialistic politics. >> >> We will never forget our relationship when we supported the US in the war of >> independence (civil war). We will never forget that we collaborated in both >> world wars as allies. I personally believe that the geo strategic interests >> of Russia and the US are essentially the same. We must focus on this >> interrelationship. >> >> Written by Dianne Marshall >> >> The following video was translated by Inessa S . A grateful thank you to >> Inessa S. for all her effort to get this news out to the people. >> >> https://jhaines6a.wordpress.com/2015/10/06/putin-exposes-obamas-paid-isis-mercenaries-in-middle-east-and-syria/ >> Posted by enerchi at 10/06/2015 08:09:00 PM Reactions: >> >> Labels: Government Corruption, New World Order, World News Headlines Email header: Return-Path: <[email protected]> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on spoonbill.riseup.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. 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