Because they're two different threats, one that's within the users' purview and the other is the service operator's.
1) Cloudflare is active MITM & payload delivery platform. Use a throw-away to browse, you can't be sure of the integrity. Oops. 2) I hope IA and other parties don't know I was drooling over TS dox. Use an anonymizing platform. If you're relying on the operator to 'not keep logs' *you're doing it wrong*, not JY. -Travis On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Razer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 10/09/2015 02:52 AM, rysiek wrote: > > Why the fuck are people on this list slamming Snowden and freedom.press > for > > using Cloudflare, and at the same time defending JYA for sending out > server > > logs with dates and IP addresses? > Because Cloudflare won't show anyone (except the feds) what they're > logging. > > That SEEMS to give the feds a (snigger) monopolistic advantage. > > > CloudFlare, which boasts that 4% of all web requests flows through > > its network, in essence serves as gatekeeper to control the flow of > > visitors to given sites and to verify that those visitors have a > > legitimate purpose in visiting them. It has advanced detection > > features that complicate (or thwart entirely) attempts by > > automated robots to scrape data from and monitor these forums, > > including browser tests and so -called “captcha codes.” > > > > In fact, two of ISIS’ top three online chat forums — including the > > notorious Alplatformmedia.com — are currently guarded by CloudFlare. > > Without such protection from CloudFlare, these sites would almost > > certainly succumb to the same relentless online attacks that have > > completely collapsed several major jihadi web forums over the past two > > years. In 2013, after CloudFlare was contacted by journalists over > > allegations that their service was providing protection to terrorist > > websites, the company’s CEO Matthew Prince published a full > > explanation of their policy in this regard. > > > > According to Prince, it would not “be right for us to monitor the > > content that flows through our network and make determinations on what > > is and what is not politically appropriate. Frankly, that would be > > creepy... Removing this, or any other site, from our network wouldn't > > remove the content from the Internet: it would simply slow its > > performance and make it more vulnerable to attack. ” > > > > In his response, Prince also asserted: > >> > >> “A website is speech. It is not a bomb. There is no imminent danger > >> it creates and no provider has an affirmative obligation to monitor > >> and make determinations about the theoretically harmful nature of > >> speech a site may contain... There are lots of things on the web I > >> find personally distasteful. I have political beliefs, but I don't > >> believe those beliefs should color what is and is not allowed to flow > >> over the network. As we have blogged about before, we often find > >> ourselves on opposite sides of political conflicts. > >> Fundamentally, we are consistent in the fact that our political > >> beliefs will not color who we allow to be fast and safe on the web. ” > > > > > > In June 2010, in the context of the case of Holder v. Humanitarian Law > > Project, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a strict view of the “expert > > advice and assistance” clause of U.S. counter-terrorism laws, making > > even nonviolent advocacy potentially an illicit form of material > > support if it is carried out in conjunction with a proscribed > > terrorist organization. The case had specifically centered on a group > > of American civil rights activists who advertised their mission as > > helping such groups “find peaceful ways to achieve [their] goals.” > > > > It is extremely difficult to reconcile the logical paradox that it is > > currently illegal to give pro-bono assistance to a terrorist group in > > order for them to adopt politics instead of violence, but it is > > perfectly legal for CloudFlare to commercially profit from a terrorist > > group by assisting them to communicate securely with recruits and to > > publicly disseminate recordings of mass murder. Indeed, CloudFlare CEO > > Matthew Prince has been adamant in his declarations that “ CloudFlare > > abides by all applicable laws in the countries in which we operate and > > we firmly support the due process of law.” Prince continues to insist, > > “ We have never received a request to terminate the site in question > > from any law enforcement authority, let alone a valid order from a > > court.” > > > > In deference to CloudFlare, it is possible that the company has > > received a formal request from law enforcement to continue providing > > its services to such an illicit online forum. Yet, even as one who > > has repeatedly advocated leaving jihadi forums online in order to > > study those who use them, this possibility gives me pause for > > reflection. If so, there must be a careful assessment of the > > potential negative policy impacts of leaving ISIS recruitment > > platforms online and unmolested in light of the recognition that > > Western security services are abjectly failing to track, identify, and > > stop all of those who are using these sites. If so, there must be a > > careful assessment of the potential negative policy impacts of leaving > > ISIS recruitment platforms online and unmolested in light of the > > recognition that Western security services are abjectly failing to > > track, identify, and stop all of those who are using these sites. > > > Testimony of Evan F. Kohlmann with Laith Alkhouri and Alexandra Kassirer > > Before the House Committee on Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Terrorism, > Nonproliferation, and Trade > > "The Evolution of Terrorist Propaganda: The Paris Attack and Social Media" > > > http://docs.house.gov/meetings/FA/FA18/20150127/102855/HHRG-114-FA18-Wstate-KohlmannE-20150127.pdf > > > -- Twitter <https://twitter.com/tbiehn> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/travisbiehn> | GitHub <http://github.com/tbiehn> | TravisBiehn.com <http://www.travisbiehn.com> | Google Plus <https://plus.google.com/+TravisBiehn>
