Wireless broadcasts everything on radio. Wired less so. I mean this for extremely local networks, i.e., a single building or city block.
On Wed, 2016-02-10 at 19:52 +0100, Cari Machet wrote: > i will look at that > > > but what makes wired less "chatty" > > > can you expand your ideas on why wireless over wired/fiber? > > > if the interconnected reach problem goes away that is > > > +++ > > > my issue with wire/fiber is that it is infrastructure built by the > powers ... if higher levels of strength are on wireless networks - > which my report discusses as coming - then maybe it is a better place > to form new structures > > > the powers have proven they will lock them for capital as the > chatanooga model demonstrates so i think it would be best to move from > wire > > > and my point in bringing up syria and iraq wireless use as v strong > signal in the middle of nowhere speaks to wireless ability as well so > > > i have no clue how they attianed this super connectivity and maybe the > human body was sort of fucked by the waves floating in the air but > still ... there could be built protection shields > > > i would like to see your arguments > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Ted Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm a little skeptical of wireless mesh networks as a general > solution > to this sort of problem, because they're inherently chatty, > and have > very limited reach. > > I think a better solution is local wired networks with > something like > Freenet running over them providing distributed > censorship-proof > storage. The next challenge is to synchronize contents between > local > Freenet darknets over sneakernet, which I don't think has been > done. > > On Wed, 2016-02-10 at 16:06 +0100, Cari Machet wrote: > > there are mesh networks > > > > > > freifunk > > > > > > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=freifunk+berlin > > > > > > > > also when people woke up to the cables of the net all going > thru the > > US there was at least talk of making new infrastructure on > other land > > masses > > > > > > i wrote about the chatanooga model that freed the fiber > under the city > > of chatanooga and also the future being wireless hubs not > > broadband ... look to what the powers are making frameworks > for and > > develop outside that realm using its flaws > > > > > > when i lived in syria i had video calls in the middle of the > > desert ... no cell towers in sight - > > > > > > iraqis had video calling in 2000 or even 1999 - anyone that > had an > > efficient fone (nokia was big) > > > > > > in other words the whole system is throttled and thats not > just about > > speed > > > > > > but quantum computing development is being ignored ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Zenaan Harkness > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > Posting 'useful' (your definition) older emails like > this I > > think is good. > > > > >> 4. The non-profit, open-source, volunteer > internet > > providing services > > >> or products at no cost or for donations. > > >> > > >> 5. The closed sub-internets, mil-gov classified, > SCADA, > > restricted > > >> and special purpose networks used by operators > and > > administrators of > > >> backbones, nodes, satellite, cable, wired and > wireless > > systems, > > >> > > >> Second, the unknown internets, with or without > evident > > access logging: > > >> > > >> 6. The covert policing and spying internet which > watches, > > logs, > > >> mucks around, runs stings, causes accidents and > shut-downs, > > cuts > > >> cables, runs surprise tests and attacks, and > keeps alive > > the demand > > >> for covert oversight of all the known others. > > >> > > >> 7. The covert internets which hide among all the > others, or > > try to > > >> subject to discovery by 6. > > >> > > >> 8. The evanescent internets which are set up, > used and > > disappear > > >> quickly, openly or covertly, subject to 6. > > >> > > >> 9. The wayward and waylaid internets which cannot > be > > identified: > > >> rogues, experiments, mistakes, erratic systems, > unexpected > > >> glitches and consequences, acts of nature, > forgotten > > protocols, > > >> inept code, destructive code, lost access > techniques, death > > >> of the perpetrators. > > >> > > >> 10. Internets of combinations, hybrids, > deceptions, ploys > > and > > >> warfare among 1-9. > > > > We need a good name for the internet with these > attributes: > > - not so ad-hoc > > - physical layer > > - localised/ immediate neighbourhood area mini-nets > > > > - eventually (if useful) a meta network connecting > these > > > > Since in general we don't own our internet tubes, > the mostly > > profit-motivated companies that do have ongoing > economic > > incentive to > > centralize, control, be taken over by larger fish. > > > > We need to grok a counter-principle, such that we > can over the > > longer > > term reverse this trend. > > > > This requires perhaps some perceivable benefit(s) to > the local > > neighbours and their phy nodes, to warrant the hour > or so > > required to > > connect to each other. > > > > So where could such features/ benefits arise?: > > - some new dynamic of torrents? > > - local/ community "library" concept? > > - privacy? > > - anonymity? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Cari Machet > > NYC 646-436-7795 > > [email protected] > > AIM carismachet > > Syria +963-099 277 3243 > > Amman +962 077 636 9407 > > Berlin +49 152 11779219 > > Reykjavik +354 894 8650 > > Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet> > > > > > > 7035 690E 5E47 41D4 B0E5 B3D1 AF90 49D6 BE09 2187 > > > > Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only > for the > > addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. 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