-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 03/18/2016 04:18 PM, Sean Lynch wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Anthony Papillion > <anth...@cajuntechie.org <mailto:anth...@cajuntechie.org>> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 > > > > On 03/18/2016 03:35 PM, Sean Lynch wrote: >> >> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Anthony Papillion >> <anth...@cajuntechie.org <mailto:anth...@cajuntechie.org> > <mailto:anth...@cajuntechie.org <mailto:anth...@cajuntechie.org>>> > wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 >> >> On 03/18/2016 01:02 PM, d...@geer.org <mailto:d...@geer.org> >> <mailto:d...@geer.org > <mailto:d...@geer.org>> wrote: >>> Apple will have its Snowden. >> >> That's not a given. Everyone believes that Windows has backdoors >> and spying components in it but we've not seen a single Snowden >> from Microsoft. Why would we from Apple, an even more secretive >> company than Microsoft? >> >> >> Or, just playing devils' advocate, perhaps we haven't seen any >> Snowdens from Microsoft because there's nothing to be leaked? >> Perhaps, instead of demanding cooperation from vendors and >> risking getting caught, the government focuses on building the >> capability to exploit bugs and opsec failures on the part of >> their targets. > > That /could/ be true. But why should we believe that they wouldn't > have enlisted the cooperation of Microsoft prior to the dates on > the Snowden leaks? The NSA has been cooperating with companies > since the 1970's (and got in a lot of trouble about it). Why would > they ignore a company that has 90%+ of the desktop market > worldwide? Possible but unlikely IMHO. > > > Just Occam's Razor. Why bother getting cooperation when the > software is not secure to begin with? There are too many ways to > gain access to Windows that aren't vulnerable to leaks. And we know > for sure this is true and has been for a long time; just look at > the thousands of exploit kits out there, most of which have been > made by people without much in the way of resources or experience. > If that's what the script kiddies can do, imagine what an agency > with a $50B budget can do.
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