From: juan <juan....@gmail.com>
On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:49:12 +0000 (UTC)
jim bell <jdb10...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Apparently, that is true.   The tantalizing thing is that SOMETHING
>> APPEARS   (information, of some nature) to be transferred between one
>> particle and another, distant one, and yet there seems to be no way
>> to use that transfer to actually transmit useful FTL 

 >  Which sounds rather absurd no?
Certainly that sounds absurd!   It IS absurd!  Which explains a lot of the 
fascinationhas for entangled photons and related phenomena.  Einstein never 
liked the quantum-mechanics idea, famously declaring "God does not play dice 
with theuniverse".     Unfortunately for Einstein, dice are actually played.
In fact, Einstein's EPR Paradox (Einstein, Podolski, Rosen) was invented 
byEinstein himself in an attempt to prove that quantum mechanics could notbe a 
complete statement of the problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox 
This principle said that IF quantum mechanics were a complete statement of the 
problem, then something seemingly impossible [fill in the blank with FTL 
information travel] would occur.  Einstein wasquite convinced that nothing 
(including no information) could travel faster than'c'.  Amazingly, it appears 
that nature ("God", for the religious among you) has actedsimultaneously to 
protect the quantum mechanics theory, but ALSO to protect Einstein's belief 
that nothing could travel faster than 'c'.   If anybody should discovera method 
to use entangled photons to effectively transmit data FTL (and thus,presumably 
at infinite speed) that person would surely deserve a Nobel Prize inPhysics.

 >Either this is ordinary EM
 > phenomena that propagate at the so called speed of light, or
 > it is something else which could propagate at 'faster than
 > light' speed. 
It's at least 10,000 times 'c' the speed of light in a vacuum, according 
toexperiments involving fiber optics.  It might be essentially infinite.

  >  If 'something' is moving at faster than light speed, then some
  > information must be being transmitted. If no information is
>    being transmitted, then by definition, there's no way to measure
  >  speed and the claim makes no sense.
Well, that's the problem.  Knowing that SOMETHING is being transmitted, and 
actuallyUSING that method to transmit useful information, are (quite strangely) 
two differentthings.  That, also is the amazing implications of entangled 
photons.

               Jim Bell
  

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