On Aug 29, 2016 15:19, "grarpamp" <grarp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 8/25/16, Sean Lynch <se...@literati.org> wrote: > > There's the mass surveillance part and there's the FISA part. > > They're not exclusively separate. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) > FISx has been authorizing both bulk untargeted for mining and > individual targets. > NSA has the taps and compartments to do whatever anyone wants. > Lesser companies, entities, and individuals are routinely happy patriots to > kiss ass and simply give data to governments and others literally for > the asking, > or for the money, or the power, retroactive immunity, deregulation, > hookers and blow. > > "Though we can't show you any results... classified, trust us, it's working." > > Pathetic. > > > AT&T, on the other > > hand, gave the government its own room with access to all the data coming > > through their datacenters and let them do whatever they wanted. > > AT&T was just the one you heard about. Where there's one, there's more, > like with juicy government services contracts. Then there's Qwest's Nacchio > who tried to fight but got selectively prosecuted, gitmo'd, and replaced by > AT&T's Notebaert. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio > http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2013/09/27/wall-street-journal-interviews.html > http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303983904579093173797712780 > http://m.wsj.net/video/20130927/092713hubpmnacchio/092713hubpmnacchio_v2_ec664k.mp4 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIn-xSdsM5U > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnYyvHg8VrI > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuAf8Hc6ns0 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAcbfzNJ43U > > Must watch... > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8um6lImuWQ > > > they push back on warrants > > they think are too broad > > Such benevolence and independant review, users should > thank their lucky stars. > > > publish transparency reports detailing everything > > they can > > US 1st amendment says they're not detailing what they can. > They're detailing what they and their pussy lawyers are > unafraid to speech. And further eroding the 1st in the process. > > > and fight to inform the target of the surveillance as soon as > > they can. > > Long after they're in prison and unable to defend themselves > against secret law, evidence, and actions.
While I haven't read the links here or watched your videos, I can't really disagree with anything you've said here. I guess "AT&T is worse" is a pretty low bar even if, as you point out, there are likely a bunch of other companies that have been at least as cooperative as AT&T. I've even said myself in different contexts that it's impossible to have a successful company above a certain size without "playing ball" as it were. I guess the question is only how much latitude you have to define the parameters in which you play, i.e. how much of your success comes from having a decent business versus just being better than your competitors at sucking politician & bureaucrat cock. And even companies that start out as decent businesses eventually have to get good at the latter, at which point they probably realize they're so good at the latter compared to any newcomers they no longer really have to compete on the former.
