On Sun, Sep 04, 2016 at 10:55:24AM -0700, Razer wrote: > > > On 09/04/2016 10:37 AM, oshwm wrote: > > Should the list really be forwarding new people to pastebin considering > > it sits behind Cloudflare? > > > Pastebin is using Cloudflare? > > Sigh... add another to the shit list.
Thanks for pointing this out. I didn't realize it either. It's a pretty good little page, though, and I didn't know about it until it was mentioned here last week. The page: http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5 It turns out that the content is available on a few other sites, including Cryptome. So, I linked to it there, instead: https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm For those who enjoy a good read on some of these topics, you might enjoy the WWII-era "Simple Sabotage Field Manual." CIA released it in 2008: https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2012-featured-story-archive/CleanedUOSSSimpleSabotage_sm.pdf Project Gutenberg did proofreading etc.: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/26184 In fiction, many of those techniques were rediscovered (e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey_Wrench_Gang). Likewise in real life (e.g., Weyler's Greenpeace, https://books.google.ca/books?id=M1GW445y2n4C&redir_esc=y and http://earthmanifesto.com/). In forums like Cypherpunks, we enjoy some of the Simple Sabotage techniques daily. I especially appreciate the demands to provide full evidence and citations to any claims. Also the indigenent objections that COINTELPRO techniques are ancient history, and no such thing happens any more. - Greg > > Or maybe the list really isn't what it used to be? > > > > oshwm. > > > > On 04/09/16 18:33, Greg Newby wrote: > >> Dear Zenaan, Georgi: > >> > >> Good suggestions, thanks! I edited the list public HTML based on what's > >> below, and also the nice Pastebin article that was posted here recently. > >> > >> https://lists.cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo > >> > >> - Greg > >> > >> On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 09:31:12PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >>> On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 02:23:48PM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote: > >>>> The wikipedia page on cypherpunks have nothing to do with the current > >>>> state of this list. History gets rewritten (from experience). > >>>> > >>>> I suggest after list discussion the list admins to put a warning on the > >>>> list web page. Something along the lines of (clearly needs rewriting): > >>>> > >>>> ==== > >>>> The list is not it used to be and has nothing to do with the wikipedia > >>>> page. > >>>> > >>>> The list has spooks, paid trolls, other similar whores and possibly > >>>> crackpots. > >>>> > >>>> Some of them post actively, others rarely. > >>>> > >>>> Their motivation might include: > >>>> * social engineering > >>>> * manipulating opinions > >>>> * profiting from the past reputation of the term cypherpunk > >>>> * killing the list > >>>> > >>>> "What You See is NOT What You Get" > >>>> > >>>> Use common sense when reading or posting to the list. > >>>> ==== > >>> > >>> Excellent suggestion - full disclosure and pre-forewarning is highly > >>> recommended. We have a duty of care to newcomers to make sure they don't > >>> get involved in anything they might want to not get involved in, and > >>> they ought be suitably forewarned :) > >
