On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 02:04:25PM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 03:33:24PM -0400, John wrote:
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> > On September 18, 2016 8:36:52 AM EDT, Georgi Guninski 
> > <gunin...@guninski.com> wrote:
> > >The main problem is this scales upwards till infinity via arguments of
> > >the form "who simulates the simulator?" and "who made what was before
> > >the big bang?".
> > 
> > It's turtles all the way down.... Actually, I like to think
> > that the universe is infinite and forever, except current
> > models predict heat death once entropy is reached in
> > some enormous amount of time...
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> > But who fucking knows, really?
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> Didn't Terry Pratchett claim in Disc World that the world is run on
> top of giant turtle? And depicted the big bang as "In the beginning 
> there was nothing, and it exploded"?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down


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> As for the "standard model" of "real reality", it changes often.
> 
> For me a plausible counter example appears a late Bulgarian
> phenomenon Baba Vanga (???????? ??????????), who allegedly could predict
> future with high accuracy and see in the past. She survived 
> practicing in times of advanced socialism, not telling ill people 
> they will die soon. 
> I can't figure out how this doesn't break causality, neither care.
> 
> Call me a crazy nut for the above.
> 
> The wikipedia page about her, likely with a lot of disinformation:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Vanga

Hmm... I am pretty (extremely) cynical about such things, but, really,
who fucking knows.... There is no doubt the "standard model" changes, 
but I like to think these "advances" are based on slightly harder
science than Baba Vanga :P  


John 

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