Top-post. James, You're looking for a quick and easy way to discover all persons' political and ideological compatibility based on all public and private communications - of course, facilitated by some membership-based secret escrow scheme (backdoor.)
In fact, a lot of different groups have this same problem - how do you discover which populations belong to which ideological groupings; why not employ some handy algorithms to make a judgement for you? Quite the idea, the good people at Palantir might be able to help you out. -Travis On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:03 AM, James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote: > I have asked this question, how to do a secret handshake that reveals > common membership of the group without giving away your membership to non > members, several times before, and not been happy with the answers, so I > guess I am asking it badly. > > I will try to be clearer about the problem I am trying to solve. > > These days, people no longer communicate on Usenet and email lists. Rather > they use something for which we have not formed a word. I will call it a > social blogging platform, unless someone has a better word. > > Twitter, Facebook, and to a lesser extent WordPress, and such are all > examples of this. > > In a blogging platform, you post and people comment on your post. > WordPress is the classic example > > Plus, it is a communication medium, you can chat privately to people and > groups, like viber. > > Viber and skype are messenger with very little blogging, WordPress is > blogging with very little messenger, Facebook is the two integrated. Viber > is currently the best messaging system, WordPress the best blogging, > Facebook the best integrated messaging and blogging system, but the world > is moving to tighter integration. Every messaging platform is adding some > blog like features, every blogging system is adding some messaging type > features. > > Facebook consists largely of chicks posting "look at me, I am hot", boys > commenting, "yes, you are hot", and then they go into Facebook messenger, > communicate privately, and make an assignation to have sex. It was designed > from the beginning for the purpose, hence the excellent integration between > the posting and commenting, which is analogous to WordPress, and the > private messaging, which is analogous to skype. Facebook is pretty much > Skype+WordPress, and all the others are competing for the same market > niche, though Facebook totally dominates the sexual assignation and booty > call niche by far. > > Specialist systems, for example the Cupid system for international dating > have the same basic architecture - posts plus tightly integrated private > messaging. > > The trouble is that the major systems, especially twitter, are heavily > politicized and censored, and so people are forming alt-tech, such as Gab, > to escape from politics and censorship. > > If you want to read a science paper about the nut gathering activities of > the gray squirrel, or an adventure comic about the Mighty Thor, or a > science fiction story about flash Gordon traveling to the far stars, you > instead get politics. > > You think you are reading about the nut gathering activities of the gray > squirrel, and it turns into the effect of global warming on the gray > squirrel, which effect we are told is extremely bad, though no concrete > evidence of this is provided, the evils of global warming upon the squirrel > being asserted but not actually shown. > > But it is not actually about the effect of global warming on the gray > squirrel, rather it is about global warming itself. We are told that global > warming is even worse than we thought, though how bad we used to think it > was is never precisely specified, and how bad now we think it is not > specified either, and the evidence that we should now think it even worse > is alluded to rather than given. > > But it is not actually about global warming itself, rather it is that the > industrial civilization that white people created is destroying the earth. > > But it is not actually about the destruction of the earth by white > civilization, rather it is that heterosexual white males are horribly bad, > and extremely harmful to all other kinds of creatures. > > Similarly, when one read the adventures of Thor, one encounters female > Thor. But it is not actually about female Thor, it is that gender binary > is false and evil. But it is not actually about gender binary, it is that > ... heterosexual white males are horribly bad, and extremely harmful to all > other kinds of creatures. > > And similarly, when Flash Gordon travels to the far stars, it turns out > that an evil corporation run by white heterosexual patriarchal males is > oppressing blue skinned tree living aliens to steal their natural resources > ... bad, and extremely harmful to all other kinds of creatures. > > This endless insulting, ignorant, stupid, and offensive hectoring happens > all the time, everywhere, on every topic, in every medium, on every > platform, from Facebook to Twitter, from Scientific American to Marvel > comics, from romance novels to first person shooter games, and if you > complain, you are racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, and a denier > and you get banned. Observe for example that the only people allowed to be > good fathers on television or the comics are blacks, and even black males > are still required to have broken families. Evidently the depiction of a > good father ruling over a happy family is homophobic, bastardphobic, > sexist, racist, whatever. > > Recall that the movie "Man in a high castle" used a happy intact family on > its poster as a symbol of Nazism. https://www.cinematerial.com/t > v/the-man-in-the-high-castle-i1740299/p/iyn0japz > > We are so accustomed to being lectured, shouted at, and spat upon that the > shouting is felt to be normal and non political, and any easing up of the > shouting and the spitting, as for example a science fiction writer who > gives us a science fiction story rather than a lecture, is deemed to be > extreme right wing politics. If you hoist an umbrella against the spit, > you are a Nazi and you are planning to murder the Jews. And you probably > really are a Nazi and probably really are planning to murder the Jews, > because only really hard cases like actual Nazis planning to murder actual > Jews are willing to defy public opinion by hoisting an umbrella against > being spat upon. > > To deal with this problem, people are developing alt tech, for example > gab.ai, which is Twitter without mandatory left wing propaganda all the > time on every topic. Similarly 8chan is a reaction to the endless tedious > left wing agitation and fierce censorship of 4chan > > The most interesting conversations are happening on secretive invitation > only sites, because it is only safe to say true things on a secretive > invitation only site. > > So, what I am thinking of is a way to integrate secretive invitation only > sites in a messaging network of public sites. > > It would be nice if when you clicked on a commenters id, you got a link to > his posts, and to his comments on other people's posts - but if some of > these posts and comments were on invitation only sites, you would only see > those comments and posts if you were able to browse those sites, if you > could have seen those comments and posts without necessarily following the > link, and, more importantly, only be able to detect the existence of such > comments and posts if you were able to browse those sites. Even if you > were using special software, not the regular client but a hostile client, > you should not be able to detect that the commenter posts to secretive > websites, or that such websites exist. > -- Twitter <https://twitter.com/tbiehn> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/travisbiehn> | GitHub <http://github.com/tbiehn> | TravisBiehn.com <http://www.travisbiehn.com> | Google Plus <https://plus.google.com/+TravisBiehn>