@Jim: I'm gonna have to get back home to respond properly to your email. It's annoyingly tedious on the phone lol I should be getting off work soon (hopefully).
V/R, Umair -------- Original Message -------- On Aug 22, 2017, 14:00, jim bell wrote: > From: Umair Chachar <[email protected]> > @Jim: > > ""THAT doesn't make a bit of sense." > >>I'm just saying that anarco-socialism is very paradoxical to itself since the >>idea of socialism depends on some form of government in itself (usually with >>extended powers over production, distribution, etc). And that anarchy doesn't >>fit with it properly. > > I was agreeing with you, that "anarcho-socialist" makes no sense. Generally, > the "left" cannot be left without advocating for a big government that forces > people to obey. > >>>"My solution should be far faster. How bloody it will be, it's hard to say. >>> People have grudges, in many cases for excellent reasons. " > >>Your solution is in the link above? > > Yes, it is a concept that I called "Assassination Politics". It will get rid > of all government (certainly as we know it), thus producing "anarchy", yet > not allowing the "chaos" ordinarily imagined by people. > >>>"I have long objected to the way people use the term "capitalism". >>>Capitalism is merely the 1800's term for "crowd-funding" of business. Great >>>advance, then. Problem is, people use that term when what they really mean >>>is "free market". And no, we don't have anything close to a free market >>>today, in America or other Western nations. " > >>That's true, free market/enterprise has been corrupted in every nation on >>this world. I personally see a free market system to yield good results for >>the well-being of a country it is allowed to stay free. > > The source for the Whisky Rebellion in America, shortly after the American > Revolution, was the biased way the government taxed alcohol. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion Today, that's called > "Crony Capitalism". This shows why the existence of a "government" cannot > be tolerated. > > Jim Bell > > From that article: > > Western grievances > > The population of Western Pennsylvania was 17,000 in 1790. > [13](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion#cite_note-13) Among the > farmers in the region, the whiskey excise was immediately controversial, with > many people on the frontier arguing that it unfairly targeted westerners. > [14](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion#cite_note-14) Whiskey > was a popular drink, and farmers often supplemented their incomes by > operating small [stills](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Still). > [15](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion#cite_note-15) Farmers > living west of the [Appalachian > Mountains](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_Mountains) distilled > their excess grain into whiskey, which was easier and more profitable to > transport over the mountains than the more cumbersome grain. A whiskey tax > would make western farmers less competitive with eastern grain producers. > [16](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion#cite_note-16) > Additionally, cash was always in short supply on the frontier, so whiskey > often served as a [medium of > exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_of_exchange). For poorer > people who were paid in whiskey, the excise was essentially an [income > tax](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax) that wealthier easterners did > not pay. [17](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion#cite_note-17) > Small-scale farmers also protested that Hamilton's excise effectively gave > unfair tax breaks to large distillers, most of whom were based in the east. > There were two methods of paying the whiskey excise: paying a flat fee or > paying by the gallon. Large distillers produced whiskey in volume and could > afford the flat fee. The more efficient they became, the less tax per gallon > they would pay (as low as 6 > [cents](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cent_(currency)), according to > Hamilton). Western farmers who owned small stills did not usually operate > them year-round at full capacity, so they ended up paying a higher tax per > gallon (9 cents), which made them less competitive. > [18](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion#cite_note-18) The > [regressive](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regressive_taxation) nature of the > tax was further compounded by an additional factor: whiskey sold for > considerably less on the cash-poor Western frontier than in the wealthier and > more populous East. This meant that, even if all distillers had been required > to pay the same amount of tax per gallon, the small-scale frontier distillers > would still have to remit a considerably larger proportion of their product's > value than larger Eastern distillers. Small-scale distillers believed that > Hamilton deliberately designed the tax to ruin them and promote big business, > a view endorsed by some historians. > [19](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion#cite_note-19) However, > historian Thomas Slaughter argued that a "conspiracy of this sort is > difficult to document". > [20](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion#cite_note-20) Whether by > design or not, large distillers recognized the advantage that the excise gave > them and they supported it. > [21](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion#cite_note-21) > Other aspects of the excise law also caused concern. The law required all > stills to be registered, and those cited for failure to pay the tax had to > appear in distant Federal, rather than local courts. The only Federal > courthouse was in Philadelphia, some 300 miles away from the small frontier > settlement of Pittsburgh. From the beginning, the Federal government had > little success in collecting the whiskey tax along the frontier. Many small > western distillers simply refused to pay the tax. Federal revenue officers > and local residents who assisted them bore the brunt of the protester's ire. > Tax rebels harassed several whiskey tax collectors and threatened or beat > those who offered them office space or housing. As a result, many western > counties never had a resident Federal tax official. > [22](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion#cite_note-Hoover-22) > In addition to the whiskey tax, westerners had a number of other grievances > with the national government, chief among which was the perception that the > government was not adequately protecting the residents living in western > frontier. > [22](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion#cite_note-Hoover-22) The > [Northwest Indian War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Indian_War) > was going badly for the United States, with major losses in 1791. > Furthermore, westerners were prohibited by Spain (which then owned > [Louisiana](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_(New_Spain))) from using > the [Mississippi River](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_River) for > commercial navigation. Until these issues were addressed, westerners felt > that the government was ignoring their security and economic welfare. Adding > the whiskey excise to these existing grievances only increased tensions on > the frontier. > [23](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion#cite_note-23)
