On 10/22/2017 09:31 PM, jim bell wrote: > > > *From:* juan <juan....@gmail.com> > > On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:39:31 +0000 (UTC) > jim bell <jdb10...@yahoo.com <mailto:jdb10...@yahoo.com>> wrote: > >> >> >> From: John Newman <j...@synfin.org <mailto:j...@synfin.org>> >> > On Oct 21, 2017, at 6:03 PM, juan <juan....@gmail.com > <mailto:juan....@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> > > https://jimbellproject.org/press-release-hackers-congress-paralel-polis-oct-7-2017/ >> > >> >> " North Korea, Venezuela, Syria, and Zimbabwe" >> > >> >> "The leaders of these nations must be stopped immediately, by >> >> any means necessary, before they kill more." >> > >> >> Who are these 'leaders' killing, exactly? >> > >>> >> And why did you forget to mention that the number one guy in >>> >> the death prediction market should be the US president, trump? >> >> >>> >To be fair, Jim did give the rest of the world a mention, directly >> after the bit you quoted: >> >>> >“But this is only the beginning because most other nations are >>> also grossly abusive of people's rights.” >> >> >>> It is interesting that Juan was sufficiently dishonest that he would >>> selectively quote my citation of four of the worst nations, > >> LMAO!!! You keep parroting US military propaganda? > > > > You are delusional. You mistake correlation for causation. There is > another strong association between the nations of North Korea, > Venezuela, Syria, and Zimbabwe: they are all quite prominent in the > news, which is primarily a product of the MSM (news media). There are, > of course, many problems with many nations around the world, see > https://freedomhouse.org/ , but the large majority of them aren't > very well publicized by the MSM, especially that of America. There > might be a weak association between the most prominent of these > freedom-challenged nation, and what you call "US military propaganda", > but they are the same thing. I have a good reason to mention nations > that Western audiences would recognize and understand. > > > Good reasons to mention these nations: > 1. North Korea, has the hydrogen bomb, is developing ICBMS. No logical > reason not to mention them. > 2. Venezuela: Currently they are starving their population, despite > sitting atop a lake of oil. > 3. Syria: Poisoning their population with chemical warfare agents, a > very prominent war, ISIS terrorists, Russian involvement. > 4. Zimbabwe: Failed state, starving population. > > > I'd say the burden is on you to show why it would be somehow improper > for me to list those nations. You are free to add more. > > >> Also, I provided a link to the source, so there isn't anything > 'dishonest' about what I did. I simply highlighted your fascist > propaganda which you tried to tone down with a qualfier. But the > qualfier doesn't change, at all, the fact that you said : > > > My goal was an is to convince the public that there is very good reason > to consider overthrowing numerous nations' governments. Merely adding > to the list doesn't disprove my point. If anything, it proves it. > > > >>> “The examples of nations such as North Korea, Venezuela, Syria, > and Zimbabwe prove that some nations of are simply rogue" > > >> So which nations are NOT 'rogue' Jim? > > > > That's hard to say. As an anarchist I am not 'friends' with any > nation's government. > > > >> And why mention Zimbabwe >> and the USA? > > I mention Zimbabwe because it is obviously a failed state. > Hyperinflation, for example, and a government which tolerates theft of > property from members of the public, as well as murder. > > Why mention the USA? My problems with the government of the US are well > known, especially here. > > > >> Where's the evidence that the 4 countries, taken from the > current list of the 'enemies' of the US nazis, are the 'worst > nations'? > > > > Did I claim they are 'worst nations'? I don't recall that. They are, > instead, very prominent and well-publicized examples of nations whose > governments need to be rapidly removed. Their names and offenses are > well known by the public. > > > >>> while >>> omitting the material you pointed out, and yet criticizing me as if I >> had not mentioned it. In any case, Juan's criticism is foolish: >> From the very beginning (1995) I repeatedly pointed out that one of >> the big advantages of AP is that it won't have some sort of >> centralized agenda: > > >> So why did you list as 'rogue' nations the countries that the >> american nazis want to invade and destroy? Does your knowledge >> of politics come from fauxnews and the washington post? > > Are you implying that "the american nazis ONLY want to "invade and > destroy" those specific four countries?!? THAT would really be an > amazing coincidence. Ha ha! You set your own trap!! > > Rather, I named failed nations that are causing trouble, either for > others or for their own people, or both. That they are also not > popular with, say, the American government isn't necessarily a matter of > causation, rather it is a matter of correlation. No doubt if there > were 2 or 3 other highly prominent nations with internal or external > problems, you'd claim that "the american nazis want to invade and > destroy" them, too. > > > >>> Neither _I_ (nor anyone else) won't be the one >>> to control it. HE may think that the main target should be "X", >>> while I think the main target should be "Y", etc. > > >> Yes but the point at hand is the targets YOU mentioned. > > > > And I mentioned that there are many other problem nations. I don't > think you are successfully faulting me for naming four quite-valid > targets; YOU are the one who started by misrepresenting what I said, > falsely suggesting that I was only referring to four specific nations. > That's very dishonest argumentation. I could easily have listed a dozen > more, but NOT mentioning those dozen more isn't a fatal flaw to my > argument. > > > >>> Neither needs to >>> be "right", neither needs to be "wrong". Both targets get taken >>> out if they are considered worthy by the public. (If people donate, >>> a target will ultimately go.)I didn't mention over 7 billion people. >>> Of what significance is that? Juan is obviously very self-centered. > > >> How am I self-centered when I am asking YOU about YOUR pick of > targets? > > > > Because you are deliberately misrepresenting my characterization of > those targets. Suggesting that I was indicating that they were > exclusive, rather than inclusive of many others. (Had I listed every > nation that I thought was actually a problem, I would have been listing > over 190 nations. You cannot fault me for listing a few prominent ones, > unless I stated or implied they were the only problems. Not only did I > not do that, I specifically mentioned otherwise. ) > > > Jim Bell >
Kind of surprised you listed Venezuela and not places like Myanmar, Saudi Arabia or even Kazahkstan and Uzbekistan. VZ is a mess but as far as human rights horrors it hardly even ranks near the ones i mentioned. It is, however disliked by the US government for messing up the flow of oil where Saudi Arabia is a great friend while torturing and killing opponents of the corrupt regime. --- Marina