On December 25, 2017 1:26:52 AM EST, juan <[email protected]> wrote: >On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 10:50:59 +1000 >"James A. Donald" <[email protected]> wrote: > > to address the mental christian vomits of supreme right wing > 'libertarian' donald > > http://www.worldfuturefund.org/History/jesushistory.html > > > > >JESUS CHRIST - NO HISTORICAL EVIDENCE > >IN ONE OF THE MOST CAREFULLY DOCUMENTED PERIODS OF ROMAN AND ANCIENT >HISTORY >The time that Jesus Christ supposedly existed is one the most heavily >documented periods in ancient history. Yet there is virtually zero >historical evidence of his supposed existence in any contemporary >historical record. It is also important to understand that an absolute >reign of terror was instituted when Christianity seized power in the >Roman Empire as documented in our Christian Totalitarianism Report. >The Church appointed an official historian of dubious ethics, Eusebius, >to write an official history. Meanwhile, Christian launched the >largest book burning campaign in history, destroying a vast part of the >wisdom and history of the ancient world forever. > >The Account of Josephus is a Fraud > >When discussing the alleged existence of Jesus Christ, one piece of >"evidence" that frequently gets mentioned is the account of Flavius >Josephus, the famed Jewish general and historian who lived from 37 to >100 C.E. In Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews there is a notorious >passage regarding Christ called the "Testimonium Flavium." > >"Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,--a teacher of >such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both >many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and >when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had >condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not >forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the >divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful >things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, >are not extinct at this day." (Whitson, 379). > >This brief piece of evidence which supposedly contributed the best >"proof" of Jesus's existence has actually been proven to be a fraud. It >has been demonstrated continuously over the centuries that "Testamonium >Flavium" was a forgery manufactured by the Catholic Church, and was >inserted into Josephus's works. The Testamonium Flavium account is so >thoroughly refuted, that biblical scholars since the 19th century have >refused to refer to it, unless to mention its false nature. > >Dr. Gordon Stein gives a further explanation for this forgery. The >History of Jesus: A Reply to Josh McDowell. > >Another source is The Jesus Forgery: Josephus Untangled. > >First Written Accounts of Jesus's Life Occur Decades After His >Purported Existence > >Most written accounts of the life of Jesus did not exist until a couple >decades after his purported existence. These accounts were presented by >a number of different authors and had somewhat conflicting stories >about his existence. These written accounts are known as the Gospels. >Also, it is worth knowing that not all of the gospels that were written >even made their way into the bible. Only four gospels became the >canonical writings for the church. The rest were burned, destroyed or >lost. Historians estimate that the first written gospel, the gospel of >Mark, was written sometime after 70 C.E, which means that at the >earliest, it would have been written 40 years after the alleged >crucifixion of Jesus. > >PLINY, TACITUS AND SUETONIUS: NO PROOF OF JESUS > >Nero's Persecution of Christians and Mention of Jesus is Highly >Doubtful > >There is widespread belief that Nero blamed the burning of Rome on the >Christians; however, there are many holes in this theory. > >This belief comes from the account of the Roman historian Tacitus >(56-120 CE) about how Emperor Nero (37 - 68 CE) blamed the burning of >Rome on "those people who were abhorred for their crimes and commonly >called Christians." The passage then states that the fire agitators >were followers of "Christus" who "was put to death as a criminal by the >procurator Pontius Pilate." The passage then also states that >Christians constituted a "vast multitude at Rome" and goes on to >discuss the ghastly ways in which they were persecuted. > >However, there are many troubling details about the historical accuracy >of this passage. Some critics call into question whether Tacitus wrote >this account at all, or if it was yet another forgery. Around the date >of Nero's Fire, 64 AD, there were no "multitude of Christians" in Rome. >At this time, there was not even a multitude of Christians in Judea. >Therefore, it is highly doubtful that Nero would refer to Christians in >this way. > >This is also the only mention of Christians in the work of Tacitus, >despite the fact that he wrote several volumes > >Also, the supposed persecution of the Christians by Nero is not >recorded by any other historian of Nero's time. If the persecution of >Christians were really that widespread, wouldn't other historians be >writing about it? (Truth Be Known) > >Pliny's Letter About "Christiani" > >In addition to the Testomonium Flavianum, there exists another tenuous >piece of evidence that some have tried to use as proof for the >existence of Jesus. The Roman Historian, Pliny The Younger (62-113CE), >wrote a letter to the Emperor Trajan in 110 CE requesting his >assistance in the proper punishment of a group of "Christiani" who were >causing trouble and would not bow to the image of the emperor. >According to Pliny, these Christiani would meet before daylight and >sing hymns with responses to "Christ as God." > >However, this letter does not provide concrete evidence for the >existence of Jesus as a person since it makes no direct mention of >"Jesus of Nazareth," nor does it refer to his life. Also, there are >many critics who have argued that this letter is a forgery. (Truth Be >Known) > >Suetonius's Reference to "Chresto" > >The last piece of questionable historical evidence we'll discuss here >is the passage in Suetonius's Life of Claudius, dating around 110 CE. >There is a reference in this work to a figure named "Chresto" who >caused the Jews to riot in Rome. First of all, if Jesus Christ did >exist, it is not possible that he would have been in Rome at this time. >Claudius reigned from 41-54 CE, this is at the time of Christ's alleged >crucifixion. > > > >LINKS > >Jesus Never Existed > >"Jesus Never Existed," by Kenneth Humphreys (Amazon Book) > >Did Jesus Exist? (Huffington Post) > >Jesus Never Existed At All (Atheism Resource) > >The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for Historical Jesus Christ > >The Jesus Forgery: Josephus UntangledHistory's Troubling Silence About >Jesus > >
Yes, very nice ;) I wouldn't have bothered with my indirect reply to Jim if I had read this first. Cheers John > >
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