On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 06:08:48PM -0300, Juan wrote: > On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:41:20 +0000 (UTC) > jim bell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Monday, March 19, 2018, 10:51:37 PM PDT, Shawn K. Quinn > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 03/20/2018 12:23 AM, jim bell wrote: > > > 'victimless crimes', such as ... illegal re-entry to America > > > > >I agree with the other examples you cited, but I would not call > > >illegal > > (re-)immigration a victimless crime in all circumstances. I agree our > > immigration laws are broken as currently written and enforced; > > however, dealing with illegal aliens takes resources away from the > > rest of us, especially given that they often do not pay the > > appropriate amount of taxes back into the system compared to someone > > here legally. > > > > > > I agree that there are not always sharp demarcation lines between > > victimless-crimes and crimes with a victim. Further, there are > > crimes with a few clear victims (murder, assault, robbery) and crimes > > where the victimization is diffuse (counterfeiting, which arguably > > victimizes anybody using a currency). > > > the distinction is pretty sharp. Either there's a victim or > not.
Thank you. > In the case of theft, murder and counterfeiting all have > victims. Counterfeiting is just a more sophisticated version of > theft. conterfeiting, aka fiat banking > crossing the imaginy boudaries of the americunt nazi state or > any other state is not a crime by any sane, let alone by any > libertarian standard. The context of this that "right wingers" tend to miss is the other pieces of the anarchist puzzle - actual libertarian rights to self defence, association and contract, and the presumed outcomes these fundaments of anarchism would generate. In a world of chaotic descent, is "more government" the solution? Well for many it's the only solution they know, and there's few examples of "true" libertarian/ anarchist societies we can point at.
