On Wednesday, September 18, 2019, 03:25:56 PM PDT, Punk <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 20:24:19 +0000 (UTC)
jim bell <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 08:19:27 PM PDT, Punk <[email protected]> wrote:
>
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> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 03:00:58 +0000 (UTC)
> jim bell <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Again, you clearly DISAGREE with what I said, but you've said nothing to
>> DISPROVE it,
> What makes you think that your baseless assertions have to be 'disproven'?
You just ASSERTED stuff, you didn't 'prove' it, so it doesn't need to be
disproven.
You are misrepresenting what I said, and that amounts to a 'strawman argument'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man Yes, I asserted, but it was
with an argument, but the only thing you did was to merely deny, with no
argument at all.
> But OK - let me 'disprove' this especially ridiculous bit :
>> "Then came the Industrial Revolution, when products began to be made
mostly, and eventually almost completely, by machines (and later, even
robots)."
It is 'self-evident' that even to this very day little things like say,
skycrapers or huge container ships are not made by 'machines'. They are made by
people using tools. Lots of uh, WORKERS, work, for instance, in construction.
That is a kind of work, and the people who do it are paid quite well. Quite
possibly overpaid. In any case, they are paid for the work they do. They are
not entitled to a fraction of the productivity of the people who will
eventually live and work in the building they constructed.
> As to the so called 'industrial revolution'
http://victorian-era.org/victorian-children-in-factories.html
Child Labour in the Mining Industry
> So now, you should be asking yourself a few questions : 1) Is there a free
>market?
I've never claimed that there a 'free market', at least in the last few hundred
years.
>2) Was there EVER a free market?
I cannot think of one.
>3) How did 'capital' get distributed?
I think of "capital" as merely accumulated wealth that the owners decide to
invest in a venture they predict will be productive. I've never liked the term
"capitalism", because it is only one aspect of what ought to be a "free
market". The modern term might be "crowdsourced investment money".
"4) How is capital distributed today?"
Your question is vague. Maybe you should answer your own question, so we will
all know what you meant.
>5) How are prices determined in the current fascist enviroment?
To some degree, there is usually competition.
> and 6) what is this?
> The Big Bank Bailout
I'm not defending today's (or yesterday's) societies, claiming that they
represent "the free market".
Jim Bell
