I think you totally misunderstand my point...or you are intentionally
'misunderstanding' it.
See my recent comment. It's all still 'there', somewhere, it just isn't easily
acquirable. I never claimed it should be easily acquirable, in all cases. At
least not data from the 1995 time frame.
But, the fact that some of it seems to be lost, NOW, does not mean that fraud
didn't occur, in the past, YOU want to use the excuse that "eventually, some
things will be lost" to confuse us into not looking for evidence of that fraud,
in the past.
You are obviously one of those people who is resisting the idea of uncovering
this seemingly-lost data.
What's the old saying, "It's not the crime, it's the cover-up!"
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-09-26/your-lawless-president-mafia-don
and probably hundreds more google-search references.
Jim Bell
I will repeat part of it below, for the clueless ones:
"I think I should add a comment. It should go without saying that virtually
all the information which should be in the CP archive exists, somewhere, on the
face of the Earth. Perhaps it is in stacks of 1.44 megabyte floppies
rubber-banded together, in cardboard boxes, long-retired 500-megabyte hard
drives, all in closets, shelves, basements, and attics of the world. Maybe
even in QIC-40 backup tapes. The problem is that it is not easily acquirable,
2 decades + later.
So, we should not take the eventual fact that this information trickles back as
any indication that "no fraud has occurred". Some innocent loss could have
occurred, sure, but I think we will be able to identify the difference.
The person(s) who has attempted to defraud the CP archive did not intend that
they could completely eliminate this information. They knew that probably
thousands of copies of the truth would remain, hard to get, around the world.
Instead, they seem to have been wildly successful at generating a phony set of
data, leaving at least dozens or hundreds of supposedly-intelligent people in
the dark. And so far, the only reason that this fraud has been detected is
because I sought a simple, single-piece of information from what should have
been in that archive: The date (and posting) of the very first appearance of
the AP essay, Part 1, on the CP list. A virtually trivial request. And the
archive came up empty.
On Friday, November 1, 2019, 03:11:27 PM PDT, Razer <[email protected]>
wrote:
DUDE! I was just viewing posts I put on a yahoo hosted blog in 2005 via
wayback machine and most of the links are dead. 1995 is fucking well
prehistoric... Sorry you believe everything on the internet is permanent...
Wayback found nothing on your mail list earlier than anyone else here, the
stuff is simply GONE. Get over it. Even Cloud storage goes byebye sometimes. No
one is guaranteeing shit. The internet comes with a Taillight Warranty.
Rr
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
On November 1, 2019 11:28:24 AM PDT, jim bell <[email protected]> wrote:
How can I tell? I looked for a VERY specific thing: The date that Part 1 of
my AP essay appeared on the CP list, copied by somebody I don't recall from the
Digitaliberty list (Bill Frezza) where I had originally posted it. Apparently
that person thought it was appropriate for CP, and copied it. So far, so good,
in 1995.
But NOW, that information is unavailable. But that's not the only thing: So
far, we can only find comments mentioning AP as early as November 1995. And
yet, many posts by "Jim Bell" are plentifully available, with the exception of
my postings on the subject of AP. In other words, a rather selective omission,
don't you think? And other people's comments on the same subject are missing,
too. Curiouser and curiouser. And I get comments from you which don't
actually acknowledge that a problem might exist: Merely criticism. As if you
don't LIKE me noticing that at least hundreds of specific postings are
mysteriously missing,
Then, I notice below that you claim that I have "right-wing proto-fascist
libertard politics". Oh, really? I think most people noticed, eventually,
that when I wrote AP, I didn't insert a political point-of-view in it, From
the standpoint of AP, it simply didn't matter WHY a person didn't like
government, AP offered him a way to get rid of it.
So, why are you now saying, "right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics"?
Isn't that somewhat of a contradiction in terms? Maybe you ought to go back
and edit your comment to make it at least internally consistent, and ideally
even logical from some identifiable political POV.
Now, I will throw you a bone here: Yes, at various times in the past, mostly
long past, SOME people decided to claim that my AP essay was "right wing". (We
are talking the mid-1995's, although later examples do exist.) This initially
floored me, but I eventually figured it out: Evidently, they read AP, and
presumably they noticed the complete lack of indications that it was written by
a typical left-winger. It didn't SOUND "left-wing". It didn't hit any of the
typical "left-wing-notes" that a usual leftist screed would do.
Yet, AP was clearly hugely revolutionary. And since it wasn't "left-wing", and
being revolutionary couldn't possibly be "centrist", the unimaginative people
decided that the only point remaining on the 2-dimensional political spectrum
they were aware of was "right-wing". So, they (the leftists) claimed that AP
must have been "right wing"! What else could they say?
However, I suspect that more than a few right-wingers were initially aghast by
AP, as well: Their precious governments were going to be utterly destroyed!
The control they carefully built up over decades would come crashing down, In
1995, I suspect that both the left and the right were equally upset at the AP
idea.
I think that history illuminates your comment about "right-wing proto-fascist
libertard politics". Utter nonsense, as just about everybody else will see,
if not admit.
Jim Bell
On Friday, November 1, 2019, 09:48:02 AM PDT, Razer <[email protected]>
wrote:
Your right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics have made you paranoid. See a
psychologist you poor persecuted assassination fan.
Rr
Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
On October 31, 2019 10:13:46 PM PDT, jim bell <[email protected]> wrote:
I have just discovered a startling omission in your Cypherpunks archive. A
HUGE number of postings on the subject of AP, my assassination politics essay,
which I began posting maybe about April/May 1995 are simply not there. And, in
fact, postings on the subject of AP at least until early November 1995 seem to
be missing. And perhaps after November 1995.
I don't know what other classes of emails may also be missing, but I think it
will be very important to find out this information.
I looked at the archive because I wanted to determine the earliest that the
subject of "Assassination Politics" appeared on the Cypherpunks list. It might
have been April 1995.Note: as weird as it may sound, there are reasons that
this material might have been tampered with, but I don't know what time the
tampering occurred.
We are discussing this on the Cypherpunks list. I assume you will want to
participate.
Jim Bell
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