Cheers for the response. If any of you find anything new, if you emailed me directly, I'd be really grateful (i.e. not to the list in case I miss it due to my filter).
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 19:18, Greg Newby <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 06:56:42PM +0100, Tom Busby wrote: > > can i confirm that this is the Venona archive merged with the 2000-2016 > > archive from this post: > > > > https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-July/042515.html > > Yes, exactly. There are some notes about sources, linked in via the > listinfo page. > > > i.e. that we don't have a new, overlapping archive of the 90s period? I'm > > assuming venona is still the only game in town for the 90s period. > > Correct. The venona .zip contents I used are dated 2003. Cryptome has a > copy dated 2010 that is only different by a few bytes. > > We have not heard of other archives covering 1992-1998. All the other > online archives seem to trace back to the same source. > > Something that is unfortunate about this is that, at the time, there were > a bunch of different remailers (the number varied over time, but seems to > have typically been around a half-dozen). Each CDR's archive would have > been different: different spam, different headers and slight variations in > time stamps. > > It seems that none of the other CDR archives are available, at least > publicly. Only the venona one. This is part of why Jim has been reaching > out to some of those CDR operators, and also long-time list subscribers. > Any other archive would be expected to have material differences, at least > with headers & spam. > > BTW, I joined the list in 2001, at the tail of the period above (and was > on a couple of different CDRs over time). In the quest for archives from > the 1990s I am an interested party, but not a source of any original > materials. > > - Greg > > > > On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 18:54, Tom Busby <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > oh fantastic, thank you very much. looks great. > > > > > > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 04:00, Greg Newby <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Dear Tom, > > >> > > >> You might be interested to see that I recently merged the archives. > (I am > > >> the current list operator.) You can find it browsable and a few other > > >> formats. This spans September 1992-July 2013 in the cypherpunks-legacy > > >> collection. > > >> > > >> The current (ongoing) list is in the main cypherpunks collection, from > > >> 2013-present. They are both here: > > >> > > >> https://lists.cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo > > >> > > >> Announcement/description: > > >> > > >> > https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-December/078230.html > > >> > > >> Best, > > >> Greg > > >> > > >> On Sat, Jan 04, 2020 at 09:41:57PM +0100, Tom Busby wrote: > > >> > I'm just a guy with a website. Believe me, it saddens me that so > much is > > >> > lost, that's why I originally started trying to piece it all > together, > > >> but > > >> > my leads ran cold, and if you go look at the commit logs for crypto > > >> > anarchy.wiki you'll see how little time I've had to work on it > lately. > > >> > > > >> > In terms of whether this is deliberate forgery or just lost data, I > > >> have no > > >> > way of finding out because I don't have other copies of the archive > to > > >> > compare with. That's the only way to do it. And even then I can only > > >> detect > > >> > tampering, not innocent loss of data. I was under ten years old > during > > >> this > > >> > period so I'm flying blind in terms of what it should look like. > > >> > > > >> > I'm not a player in this drama, I'm just a guy who is mirroring > what's > > >> > available so that isn't lost too. > > >> > > > >> > I simply don't have the time to help you at the moment. I have too > many > > >> > other commitments. I haven't even found time to merge the > 1999-onwards > > >> > archive. > > >> > > > >> > If you find a lead on any of it, let me know. As far as I can tell, > Ryan > > >> > Lackey is the only one who can help you. This archive originates on > > >> Venona. > > >> > That I'm pretty sure about. If he won't respond to you, I don't know > > >> what > > >> > can be done. I really hope someone else finds an archive of this > era, > > >> > because it's the most important era for sure. > > >> > > > >> > But other than that, please bear in mind that I'm on your side. We > both > > >> > have the same goal: a complete, accurate archive. I've done what I > can > > >> so > > >> > far. I won't have time to work on this actively in the near future. > > >> > > > >> > On Fri, 3 Jan 2020, 20:27 jim bell, <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > On Friday, January 3, 2020, 02:16:28 AM PST, Tom Busby > > >> <[email protected]> > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >>And John Gilmore, Ryan Lackey, Tom Busby, and Declan McCullagh > don't > > >> > > seem to care > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >It's not that I don't care, I just don't know what I can do > about it. > > >> > > This appears to be the only copy of the archive available. > > >> > > > > >> > > >If anyone else has a more complete archive, send it to me and > I'll > > >> merge > > >> > > it. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > You are thinking solely in terms of correcting the archive. > That's a > > >> > > limited view. I'm thinking of finding out who is responsible for > the > > >> > > well-planned omissions in the archive. From where was the data > > >> obtained? > > >> > > When was the faking of the data done? Who did it? Why? > > >> > > Who had control of the Cypherpunks list during the 1995-2003 time > > >> frame? > > >> > > Was the data stored elsewhere, such as the Wayback Machine? > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Jim Bell > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 08:25, jim bell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Jeffrey Epstein: Surveillance Video From First Suicide Attempt > > >> Missinghttps:// > > >> > www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jeffrey-epstein-surveillance-video-first-184510141.html > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Jim Bell's comment: > > >> > > > > >> > > Missing, just like a few thousand postings to me, from me, about > me, > > >> and > > >> > > any mentioning Assassination Politics in the 1995 Cypherpunks > archive. > > >> > > > > >> > > And John Gilmore, Ryan Lackey, Tom Busby, and Declan McCullagh > don't > > >> seem > > >> > > to care. Neither does Brian Merchant nor Will Stephenson. > > >> > > > > >> > > Concealing the past by erasing the evidence is an old story. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >
