Interested in seeing respectful review of both sides of these opinions. Science that ignores the opposing arguments is not science.
On Fri, May 15, 2020, 10:06 PM Zig the N.g <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 09:13:25PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:37:02AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 09:18:19PM +0000, jim bell wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 12:46:40 PM PST, Kurt Buff < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:33 AM jim bell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> (Full disclosure: I have a Bachelor's degree in Chemistry from > MIT, Class of 1980). > > > > >> > > > > >> While I am not sufficently convinced that, quantitatively, > "global warming" ("climate change"), or more specifically AGW > (Anthropogenic Global Warning) is a genuine problem, I'd say it would be > irresponsible to not prepare for the possibility that this sulfur-injection > protocol will be necessary, or at least useful. It should be quite cheap. > Further, there are likely to be various (positive) feedback-loops > associated with global warming, such as the thawing of permafrost, whose > magnitude aren't well-understood. > > > > >> > > > > >> I suspect that the main opposition to this idea comes from people > who see "climate change" as simply an opportunity to increase government > control over the world. They think that they've found themselves one hell > of a problem, but a problem which would be threatened, like garlic or a > silver bullet, or a gold cross, to a vampire. > > > > > > > > > > > > >So, the solution to warming is smog? Really? Perhaps if injected at > a > > > > high enough altitude it won't affect lungs, but it seems like SO2 > > > > isn't something we want to pump into the atmosphere... > > > > Kurt > > > > > > > > Ironically, that solution will likely be correct. But to understand > why, it helps to know that circulation between the lower-levels of the > atmosphere (say, under 10,000 AGL (above ground level)) and the upper > levels, say around 60,000 feet AGL is quite slow. SO2 injected at low > levels of the atmosphere will wash out in weeks or months due to rain. > SO2 injected at, say, 60,000 feet AGL will probably last for years. That > SO2 will eventually diffuse downward and be lost due to rain as well, but > far less SO2 will need to be added at 60,000 feet than is currently being > added from ground-level sources. > > > > China's coal-fired power plants currently emit huge amounts of > ground-level SO2, which could be scrubbed just like America's plants. > http://www.pnas.org/content/115/27/7004 And, presumably, should be > scrubbed. But only a far smaller amount of SO2, than could be scrubbed > from China's coal-fired power plants would need to be released at 60,000 > feet AGL, each on a per-year basis, to accomplish the cooling effect > required. I looked it up, maybe a year ago, and I think the comparison was > 32 million tons/year v. 1 million tons/year. I hope I'm remembering it > correctly. > > > > > > > > Jim Bell > > > > > > We actually want the earth to be a warm, wet greenhouse. In fact, > > > life demands as much... > > > > > > The Little Ice Age with Solar Minimum, and the only problem this > > Earth really has to worry about, right on cue: > > > > > > Martin Armstrong: Global Cooling, Not Warming, Is What We Should > > Fear Most > > > https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-29/martin-armstrong-global-cooling-not-warming-what-we-should-fear-most > > > https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/climate/global-cooling-not-global-warming-that-we-should-fear-the-most/ > > … This is what I keep pointing out that cold is what kills society > > and creates poverty – not warming. > > The Year Without Summer: 1816 > > … Beneath the snow, after weeks of severe cold, the ground was > > frozen solid to a depth of two feet. Packed ice in the road made > > the journey very hazardous. > > … John Adams: “… Posterity! You will never know, how much it cost > > the present Generation, to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will > > make a good Use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven, > > that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it.” > > > You're right Zenaan, global cooling and a new Dalton Minimum might be > about to hit us over the next few years - anuddah "mini Ice Age" possible, > apparently: > > Global Cooling!! Low Solar Activity To Cause Temperatures To Plummet, > Say Scientists > Paul Joseph Watson via Summit News > > https://www.zerohedge.com/health/global-cooling-low-solar-activity-cause-temperatures-plummet-say-scientists > > https://summit.news/2020/05/14/low-solar-activity-to-cause-temperatures-to-plummet-say-scientists/ > > `The Sun is entering a period of “solar minimum” that could cause > temperatures to plummet by up to 2C over 20 years and trigger a global > famine, according to experts. > > Solar activity has entered a deep decline with scientists saying > there have already been 100 days this year where the sun has displayed zero > sunspots. > > NASA boffins say this means that the earth could be about to > experience a new “Dalton Minimum,” the period between 1790 and 1830 which > led to a severe prolonged cold snap and massive volcanic eruptions. > > “This means were could be entering one of the deepest period of > sunshine recession which could trigger long periods of cold, famine and > other issues,” reports the Daily Star. > > https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/scientists-warn-freezing-weather-famine-22024410 > > The Sun has now recorded two consecutive years of record setting > spotlessness, being blank 77% of the time in 2019 and 76% of the time so > far this year. > > This means a deep solar minimum is coming which will cause > temperatures to drop drastically. > > This once again serves as a reminder that the Sun is by far the most > influential driver of climate and makes the impact of so-called man-made > climate change look tame in comparison. > > How are institutions of science, academia and media that have fully > committed to the notion that anthropogenic global warming will cause > environmental devastation going to react when the globe starts rapidly > cooling? > > Meanwhile, Greta Thunberg has been noticeably quiet on the matter. > > PJW on Greta Thunberg and "peak masculinity" > ~20MiB > https://seed116.bitchute.com/9WF6N0ecQ55u/qpSQuc69R9c.mp4 > >
