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On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 3:43 AM, other.arkitech <other.arkit...@protonmail.com> 
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> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 8:25 AM, Karl <gmk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi OA,
>>
>> I was thinking about how there are a lot of ongoing projects working hard to 
>> solve these various problems of replacing existing network infrastructure 
>> with an improvement, keeping users safe and empowering them, etc etc.
>>
>> There are a _lot_ of experienced software developers on these lists and many 
>> of us are kind of working in bubbles on our projects, often duplicating each 
>> others' work.
>>
>> Would you be at all interested in moving towards sharing effort and 
>> interoperability with others, even merging codebases if a roughly identical 
>> project were going on?
>
> Yes I am interested on the idea.
> I like the bubble style because i think it is more efficient many times. A 
> head, a codebase.
> Working on multiple products, (as many as devs), is the recipe for avoiding 
> conflicts and byzantine discussions, and generating an army of competitive 
> products.
> It is great to exchange help, work, pieces of code, etc in a "I work for your 
> project and you work for my project" or something alike
>
> I'll be around : )
>
> A really major current effort is gnunet https://gnunet.org/ which modularizes 
> p2p networking functions for reuse, as local services that provide them I 
> believe.  It's very powerful but very few projects are using it; setup and a 
> verbose learning curve might be an entry barrier, unsure.
>
>> K
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 6:40 AM other.arkitech <other.arkit...@protonmail.com> 
>> wrote:
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>>> On Monday, May 11, 2020 9:56 AM, grarpamp <grarp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > I am not afraid of IP4, the resource is already scarce and their cost
>>>> > provides a good measure against attackers that are not The Man.
>>>>
>>>> They have almost zero cost. Any retard can botnet hundred thousand
>>>> of computers IP and proxy them ports all back to farm of pi's / emulators.
>>>> Any govt can use all its thousands of worldwide residents
>>>> embassy and military staffs to get worldwide IP's pools without even
>>>> any sneaky attacks like abusing secret FVEY++ peers to give them
>>>> IP proxy of unused addresses from networks too.
>>>>
>>>> But no, USPS cannot give user ability to overlay network exit for
>>>> help ensure their privacy, because only IPv4 is "safe" for USPS.
>>>>
>>>> Bitcoin have many many privacy overlay users, even full mining nodes on
>>>> overlay for their privacy, do you see it be not "safe" for Bitcoin network,
>>>> any real incident of that, from even day one to now.
>>>
>>> This project is about solving the system:
>>>   A) without PoW, which consumes too much energy and induce to 
>>> centralization (network shrink) and territorial segregation forces
>>>   B) without PoS, or any other Po* I've considered during my design (e.g. 
>>> biased cryptoeconomy, e.g. PoS allows mining to those who have more wealth)
>>>
>>> I encourage you to find another available scarce resource that meets the 
>>> criteria of being unbiased and I'll consider it to be used instead of 
>>> taking advantage of the scarcity of IPv4 addresses.
>>>
>>> Additionally, all criticism towards USPS related to anonymity goes to a 
>>> proper overlay layer compatible with such rule.
>>> Tor is not valid because is unable to apply the limiting rule.
>>> I'll either propose a patch to Tor or develop an anonymity layer in the 
>>> future, near or far, depending on the priorities of every stage of the 
>>> project.
>>>
>>> Hope it serves.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> > I am not scares about Govs too, since they haven't moved a finger yet
>>>> > against bitcoin, even though they can.
>>>>
>>>> And if they do this network blocking of BTC and USPS, which will going
>>>> to still be transact... only those on the overlays... which means BTC win
>>>> USPS die, because USPS not allow user to use privacy overlay.
>>>>
>>>> > The public protocol do not need to be encrypted neither in Bitcoin not in
>>>> > USPS. USPS is running encrypted today though. The fact that Tx or 
>>>> > consensus
>>>> > protocol goes in clear doesn't affect the pseudaanonymity nor the 
>>>> > privacy.
>>>>
>>>> ??? Move to Thailand / China / wherever / everywhere that spies your
>>>> network wire, builds nice big databases of everything you do on it, use
>>>> Bitcoin to pay a cleartext tx from your photo ID IPv4 node physical address
>>>> and Bitcoin address, to cleartext to some online market known Bitcoin
>>>> address for some weed, or tx/rx a hello Tiananmen 1989 65 in blockchain
>>>> message data field. Your ass is going to jail, be in database, for long 
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> In general, all coins should be encrypted and network overlay-able.

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