On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 03:53:01PM -0400, John Young wrote:
> Assange will be sacrificed and discarded by journalists once no longer useful.
> This is a long-standing practice to assure official protection and privilege.
> Assange once advocated this warning but was eventully coopted by journalists
> who joined his team and pushed the outreach to duplicitous journalism.
> 
> Braying about threat to journalism by Assange's prosecution is a deception op
> conducted in cooperation with authorities. Snowden's promoters have admitted
> consulting with USG on what to publish, what to redact, what to withhold.
> Barton Gellman describes his following this CYA standard procedure in Dark
> Mirror.
> 
> WikiLeaks burned sources with loose security, incoherent management, Julian's
> vanity and opportunism, thinking he could use cohorts for his purpose without
> penalty. The indictment outlines the parties he enlisted, quite a few likely
> to have decided to cooperate, like Sabu, the "Teenager," maybe Appelbaum,
> others pseudonymed.
> 
> Those he has manipulated will turn against him under pressure from prosecutors
> against them, their families and friends. Same happened to Manning, Swartz,
> kirakou, Hammond, long list of others.
> 
> Snowden will eventually be handed over to USG by those he came to trust the
> most. Trust wears thin over time and goosed by planted suspicions and doubts,
> ambition, need for income. And fans are notoriously fickle, don't give a shit
> after the excitement wanes, smears are spread, bots and media countermesures
> are unleashed, rewards are offered like Greenwald's "irresistables"
> undergirding The Intercept.
> 
> And there is always the AP option for terminating JA. Treachery of supporters
> is too.


Much true here.

True men of principle do not suffer greatly for vainglorious ends.  Though some 
may get caught up in the superficial, we should feel sorry for them on that 
count, whilst at the same time upholding principles worthy.

Manning may have procured her relief from her "double jeopardy" with a (temp) 
non-disclosure, yet she remains vigilant to a tee in not "being a dog and 
knifing Assange" for her own physical freedom - the loyalty of a champion, and 
for the right foundation of righteous principle, so a huge and gracious -thank 
you- to Manning!

Assange had things to learn on his journey it appears - are any of us exempt 
from such?  Let's not shoot the messenger.  Let's take a leaf from Manning's 
book of grace and loyalty - if we asked her, would she hesitate to say "punch 
up, not down" ?

Assange was part of a team, and as incoherent and flawed as it may have been, 
that team achieved massive wins - never forget that the results, from a broader 
perspective have shaken the foundations of empire, with its relentless revenge 
mission against Assange still in full swing to this day after so many years.

If as you say, Assange 'has manipulated' people on his Wikileaks journey, just 
how many more years would -you- keep him locked up in Maxi, how many more years 
from now (of Assange in jail), depriving his children of their father, do you 
personally say that Assange ought be kept in the slammer in order to mete out 
sufficient "justic" in your mind?

This is a serious and real question to you John (no matter that we are not the 
judiciary prosecuting him) - what be your position on the actual pennance 
Assange, as you imply, ought pay?

Yes there are always many options - perhaps we can help to spread the word of 
caution, of loyalty, remind folks that ultimate dignity is that in our own 
mirrored eyes, before our maker and with none between ...

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