George Carlin rants on this topic: https://youtu.be/DxZZt4EAKSQ
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 12:25 AM Zenaan Harkness <[email protected]> wrote: > fyi > > > ----- Forwarded message from Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <[email protected]> > ----- > > From: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <[email protected]> > To: Tinkerphones Community <[email protected]> > Cc: CypherPunks <[email protected]> > Reply-To: Tinkerphones Community <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 18:46:09 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Tinkerphones] "We don't control our lives" - smartphones - > tinkerphones - debian on smartphones > List-Id: Tinkerphones Community <community.tinkerphones.org> > > Hi, > > just for the record - the Debian wiki pages you have linked to are > rather outdated and not really relevant anymore. > > Current efforts around running Debian on mobile phones (such as Librem > 5 and PinePhone) are concentrated around DebianOnMobile team, which > includes people working on PureOS and Mobian pushing their stuff to > Debian upstream. > > Recent weeks brought massive progress and Purism's Phosh environment > is now on its way to Debian Testing. > > See: > > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/internet/2020/MiniDebConfOnline?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=DebianOnMobile.pdf > > https://salsa.debian.org/DebianOnMobile-team > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-mobile/2020/05/msg00000.html > > > https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-on-mobile-maintain...@alioth-lists.debian.net > > https://matrix.to/#/#mobile-debian:matrix.org > > Cheers, > dos > > On 7/29/20, Zenaan Harkness <[email protected]> wrote: > > With respect to "smart" phones, it can be reasonably claimed that we > don't > > control our lives. > > > > At the hardware level, the baseband (radio) computer in almost all cases > has > > access to RAM, thus access to your passwords and keys for any open > wallet or > > encrypted filesystem, etc. > > > > Notwithstanding, we owe it to ourselves to run an operating system which > at > > least does not deny to us, our right to install and run any software of > our > > choosing. > > > > The average Android and iOS Apple phone, is a strict walled garden into > > which only authorised software may be installed. > > > > Software "Apps" which are not authorised (or have been banned) by either > > Google or Apple respectively, are not available in the respective "Play > > Store". > > > > This is abhorrent, a centralisation of power, a blatant censorship > vector, > > financially burdensome to those of meagre means, and fundamentally > unethical > > in principle wrt the suppression of the basic rights of the end user > (refer > > to Richard Stallman's GNU General Public License for details of > fundamental > > human rights in relation to software/ apps/ computing). > > > > > > Totally random scenario/ example: > > > > Some rando punk decides Tor needs improvement, and works diligently for > zero > > pay and little gratitude to bring say (random examples) chaff and UDP > > transport layer features to Tor. > > > > After horrific bugs and even worse security problems in the code are > > identified / repaired by tragically paranoid other punks, NeoTor takes > off, > > thwarting the deep state's end to end onion route monitoring network, > and so > > an urgent order is made upon Google to cease and decist from distributing > > such nefarious software. > > > > Google of course complies immediately, and almost all users go back to > using > > old Tor. > > > > > > The stranglehold Google and Apple have on not only limiting the average > user > > to approved software only, but to enforce total transparency upon all > > developers to idetify themselves with 100 points of ID just to TEST their > > software, and to pay some fiats for the priviledge whilst they're at it, > is > > ... a little less than satisfactory. > > > > Having experienced the pain of an Android phone, even after unlocking > still > > being locked into the garden and offered only "Google" or "XiaoMi" when > > saving every contact (and never "local storage only"), and the pain of > > finding and installing a rooted OS (_how_ many dozen options? I _still_ > have > > to choose Google or XiaoMi if I want to backup my contact list? there's > > really _no_ easy option to just dump it to my laptop with an ad hoc > > wireless?) > > > > ... it is evident I would be MORE than happy to pay $50 to make this > pain go > > away by having someone at my local computer club back up my address book > and > > install Debian on my phone. > > > > What we need is Debian on the phone. > > > > And we need this to be super easy for the average geek to install, and > > thousands of average geeks need to start getting these donations to > install > > Debian on Android phones. Given how painful it is for someone supposedly > > "technically literate", this ought be a fantastic business opportunity. > > > > > > So Debian on mobile phones? It's possible. > > > > What is needed is a geek-able process whereby the "CyanogenMod" mobile > phone > > operating systems are split into an absolute minimal "bootloader + > kernel + > > drivers etc" for a specific device, and the operating system is a > separate > > install on top of that, and for those who care, Debian as the OS. > > > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile > > > > http://www.tinkerphones.org/ > > > > https://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community > > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-mobile/ > > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-embedded/ > > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/ > > > > > https://alioth-lists.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/android-tools-devel > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnHandhelds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community > > http://www.tinkerphones.org > > > > > -- > Sebastian Krzyszkowiak > dos > _______________________________________________ > Community mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community > http://www.tinkerphones.org > > ----- End forwarded message ----- >
