---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "\\0xDynamite" <dreamingforw...@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 13:21:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [ot][personal] cult reading notes To: "Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many" <gmkarl+brainwashingandfuckingupthehackersla...@gmail.com>
Why are you posting here? mark On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 10:16 AM Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many <gmkarl+brainwashingandfuckingupthehackersla...@gmail.com> wrote: > > as i get farther into the cult book, i understand the importance of > writing down what you agree, disagree, or want to look more into, as > the author says to do. > > it is so rare to hear somebody talking about what the book talks > about, and it engages my experiences when done, that i can forget the > things i disagree about with the author entirely and begin believing > whatever he says. > > ch3: > > - i so much agree with BITE. nobody ever says this. systematic control > of Behavior, Information, Thoughts and Emotions. [confused: BITE must > mean how we are eating people's spirits like zombies eating brains.] > > - i don't think it's clear to call all influence groups cults when > cults inspire images of people in robes worshiping dead animals, not > really a huge thing > > - i disagree that meditation with belief in eventual levitation or > flying is harmful. i believe this is a good thing, without destructive > attributes itself, to give people inspiration to spend time becoming > more thoughtful. i do not mind that popular science believes that > levitation does not happen from pensation: many people hold belief > systems that have disparity with popular science, and use this as > reason for prayer or dedicated behavior. i have no trouble considering > that this belief is _used_ harmfully by some people. > i think personally i see the belief as an analogy to how, when you > meditate well and long enough, you begin seeing more and more things > that others do not ever see: things you can do, reasons people do > things, etc etc. this seems it could become a similar super power to > flying. personally, i found i develop a comparable feeling to flying > when i gain mastery over my body like with skilled free running. > > - MOVE is mentioned as an example of a cult. it was an activism group > for black people. given MOVE was so politically targeted that most > members were killed by the police, it seems far more likely that the > political targeting (and disreputating messaging) was engaging in any > destructive influence than the group. counter ref 62 > > - similarly i am of course skeptical that a democratic workers > collective would be a destructive cult, and worry some around > political harm in the label; workers collectives have been repeatedly > targeted, sometimes killed en masse by corporations or governments, in > our nation's and global history. counter ref 64 > > fragment: pierce told me "some of us are felons, some of us have > families." i mentioned worrying about being tracked with my phone to > pierce. he had me turn it on, and then suddenly cory visited, and > spoke to me about the red and the blue. he lay down on the floor next > to pierce's bed, just waiting. we had an intuitive conversation where > he would wait and be silent before each thing he said. [sarah said a > fragment of an expression to me, as if people were saying things that > only made sense if all taken together as parts of the same sentence] > finished writing fragment 2022-08-20 1033 [the interaction seemed very > influential and strange. cory would often say he "was just happy to be > involved". he said he had come off a long hiking trail, but lived as a > homeless person who never left the city. i was in an intense state of mind, > near the end of behaving with strong intuition. i think i had taken a jesus > emblem with me, and showed a text message to sarah on my phone.] > > - farther along, the author says that a concern around worrying about > mind control is that everything can be seen as mind control, as if > this is a struggle normal people have. i have also been exposed to > this belief. it is not normal at all. where did it come from? > > - further: it seems reasonable to say that the only reason it would be > unclear whether a group is destructive or non-destructive, after > observing it, would be due to influence preventing this clarity. > clearly this clarity is needed badly. > > - in the section regarding childhood sexual abuse, which explains how > learned phobias produce an environment for repeat abuse, i became > worried for a friend i love, who was sexually abused as a child. this > worry shortly became numb and hidden for me, and is hard for me to > consider now. > > - "Put a person into a situation where his senses are overloaded with > non-coherent information, and the mind will go "numb" as a protective > mechanism. It gets confused and overwhelmed, and critical faculties no > longer work properly. It is in this weakened state that people become > very open to suggestion." > > - i'm thinking of how my influence seemed to me to pretend to be the > things i was passionate about, kind of starting off with offering a > "deal" that if i "really wanted to get involved" i would need to do > this or that > > - somewhat uncomfortable around the recommendation of trusting search > results regarding terms like "criminal" or "abuser". i think i have > hits around "criminal" as does somebody i respect have "abuser", where > these hits are from disinformation in my opinion. one possible > difference: if a powerful influence is involved and it is disreputing > the person, the hits go near the top; if a powerful influence is > involved and it is supporting the person, the hits go near the bottom. > anyway it is very normal to do such web searchers, so it's mostly > moot. > > - the book does not yet describe how the sharedness of indoctrination > techniques between groups and how this indicates collaboration among > the cult leaders. it could be important to remember that we are at a > time where power is catalyzing and everyone must protect the freedom > of the entire world. > > - it's hard for me to see forthright faith healing as a human rights > violation; death is a needed part of life and truly is the domain of a > deity, and the placebo effect is very strong. obviously if the efforts > are deceptive or disinformative and non-spiritual in benefit or > result, things are different. > > - maybe what's reasonable to consider here is that the author is > describing a horrific lifelong torture that few people can imagine, > and it is very hard to convey this to someone who has not experienced > it. > > - the book mentions another book by Harvey Schwartz that mentions > wolves and sheep and soldiers, and internalized perpetration. it is > about terrorist recruitment of children, but likely the techniques and > stories have overlap with other things. my experience had > wolf/sheep/soldier themes. it seemed to me a wolf was a mind > controller; it seemed to me a sheep was somebody who didn't want to be > one; it seemed to me a soldier was somebody who had seen the horrors > of these things (and [did urgent work?]) and had ptsd and other things > from it. > > - it looks like the book author's community needs help setting laws to > protect people from mind control groups > > - it would have been hard to help me as i [learned to] identified all > things as my own psychological issues