i came to write a reply to this at 12:41 ET on 2023-10-22 and found
this draft, looks empty but for quote, saved on 2022-08-27.

the intent was to write a reply to #6 from a group saying "we didn't
know" in shock, recognizing trauma[ and possibly danger]. it's likely
nice for me to experience recognition of things like that being
traumatic experiences. we also didn't know --

On November 13, 2020 5:36:22 AM EST, Karl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [OT] [dangerous due the possibility of dangerous people thinking it is an 
> analogy for whatever they're concerned about]
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 8:18 AM Karl <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't read the replies I haven't acknowledged, because I'm trying to 
>> slow down entering the dissociative state where I post obsessively to the 
>> list and do nothing else, and accessing the same threads could trigger it 
>> faster.
>>
>> Here is a webcomic outline.  To help with the major motion picture being 
>> slowly grown from horrifically enslaved countries to bring their dead 
>> beloved dictators back to life as respected community members with badly 
>> needed medical care:
>>
>> Mind Control Boss, the Webcomic, draft 1
>>
>> #1
>>
>> panel 1:
>> Setting: Boss's office
>>
>> Boss: "Somebody mentioned mind control on that mailing list.  Let me know 
>> when it's cleaned up."
>>
>> Cleanup Worker (previously Secretary of State, talking honestly, has bloody 
>> wires leaving scalp, wears weapons dealer logo on smart looking political 
>> outfit): "Of course, Boss!  We love you so much for enslaving us to your 
>> every whim!"
>>
>> panel 2:
>> Setting: local coffee shop named "Underground Spy and Rebel Network, Come 
>> One Come All"
>>
>> Specialist (now a cleanup worker for Boss): "The Boss told me to clean this 
>> mailing list up.  I told him to fuck off, that it's out of his control."
>>
>> Excited Supporter (at a nearby table of torture victims, rescue workers, and 
>> diplomats): "What list now?"
>>
>> State Worker (wears same weapons dealer logo as Secretary of State, 
>> watching, is at table of rebels with Specialist, in role of "way to control 
>> and spy on Boss", texting privately on Mobile Phone): [Excited Supporter 
>> will b worker who rebels.  Can u make sure 2 erase what they look up 
>> tonight?]
>>
>> panel 3:
>> Setting: same coffee shop
>>
>> Rebel Worker (sitting next to State Worker, wears same shirt, phone dings 
>> and looks suddenly at State Worker):  "The fuck???" <immediately shoots 
>> State Worker dead>
>>
>> Dead State Worker's Mobile Phone: "Contacting Cleanup.  Thank you for using 
>> Dictatorsoft."
>>
>> Specialist (same one, at table): <while phone alarming about cleanup>, 
>> "Again????"
>>
>> #2
>>
>> panel 1: (torture victim, excited supporter, and/or rebel worker visit 
>> mailing list, assume it is super cool, archive it and spread it everywhere)
>>
>> panel 2:
>> Scene: Former Secretary of State's office
>>
>> Cleanup Worker (formerly secretary of state, bloody wires leaving neatly 
>> combed hair, gesturing at corpse of State Worker, talking to Machine 
>> Learning Marketer): "Boss can't see well and needs to hear it from the 
>> horse's mouth, and the horse is dead.  Could you fix up a video chat for us 
>> where the horse is alive?"
>>
>> Machine Learning Marketer (knows nothing about machine learning, is new to 
>> corporation): "Certainly.  We do that all the time."
>>
>> panel 3:
>> Scene: Boss's office, with corpse of State Worker present, propped up as if 
>> still alive.  Boss is in a hospital bed.
>>
>> Corpse of State Worker (blurry due to severe issues Boss is having): "Boss, 
>> I am your loyal servant.  The mailing list has been cleaned up."
>>
>> #3
>> Scene: Former Secretary of State's Office
>
>
> I found a possible early part of #3 in my semipreserved notes (I have to 
> pretend to erase stuff to work on things like this): "We leaked some things 
> helpful to Boss on a rebel mailing list" .  I'm not focusing on filling in 
> all the scene and panels for #3 since I already shared it.
>
>> Standing Corpse of State Worker: "I have bad news.  The rebel mailing list 
>> posts we've been using to share propaganda are predicted to make more rebels 
>> than propaganda."
>>
>> State Worker 2 (hired to replace State Worker after their death, bloody 
>> wires leaving scalp): "Don't say that!  I might tell the boss!"
>>
>> Corpse of State Worker: "Very sorry."
>>
>> #4
>> Scene: Former Secretary of State's Office
>>
>> Standing Corpse of State Worker 2 (microelectronics and brains hanging out 
>> of scalp, eyes moving wildly and independently of each other): "After being 
>> brought back from the dead so many times by Machine Learning Marketer, Boss 
>> can no longer learn new information without being killed out of fear of 
>> subversion by propaganda.  This doesn't seem much like leadership to the 
>> workers, so we've kind of reinterpreted who the boss really is, and listen 
>> instead to their "spirit" rather than letting them say anything.  Machine 
>> Learning Marketer has a computer that can report spirit."
>>
>> Machine Learning Marketer has bloody wires leaving their scalp.
>>
>> Standing Corpse of State Worker 3 (also has obviously poorly-done bci 
>> surgery):  "You said you replaced the Boss with a computer simulation?"
>>
>> State Worker 2: "Yeah, can you kill me until I do it well enough to say 
>> straight, for the coffee shop?"
>>
>> Machine Learning Marketer: <reaches for their own cellphone and breaks it in 
>> half.  Takes out a gun and empties it into the lights>. "I think the 
>> simulation just mind controlled me not to."
>>
>> #5
>>
>> <we can come up with these forever, and have the next one drafted too, but 
>> it is too hard to continue for me to write it right now.  it involves 
>> describing what it is like to communicate things when your behavior and 
>> medical treatment are augmented by machine learning algorithms each made or 
>> influenced by a different warring faction trying to manipulate you toward 
>> their own particular ends.  sorry ran out of steam, got triggered too badly 
>> in #4>
>
>
> [Note re the recent xkcd: there is no coronavirus in this yet.  everyone 
> still remembers how to go near others and be friendly and comfortable with 
> that.  I'd probably split the coffee shop in two, for people who want to wear 
> masks and people who don't, with full accommodations for both views, and have 
> the characters move between the two areas demonstrating how easy it is to 
> resolve a conflict.  Boss's people would generally not wear masks in any 
> office or while harming people, their masks would have been designed to fail, 
> and they would always wear them in public.]
>
> #5
> Scene: Boss's Office
>
> Computer Audio of Boss (part of Audiovisual Setup, with Hospital Bed behind 
> it): "This ..." <voice cuts out, the words struggling>
>
> Status Display: "Filling in for memory loss.  Defusing anger."
>
> Computer Audio of Boss: "... mailing list ..." <struggling>
>
> Status Display: "Filling in for memory loss.  Patient now deeply relaxed."
>
> Computer Audio of Boss: "... is part of my .. " <suddenly stops>
>
> Status Display: "Filling in for memory loss.  Numbing severe hopelessness."
>
> Computer Audio of Boss: "... medical plan to ..."
>
> Status Display: "Extensive memory reconstruction requiring delay.  Simulation 
> taking over."
>
> Computer Video of Boss: "... heal my ..."
>
> Status Display: "Filling in for memory loss.  Numbing severe hopelessness."
>
> Computer Audio of Boss: "... destroyed brain?"
>
> Cleanup Worker (formerly Secretary of State):  "Yes, Boss."
>
> Machine Learning Marketer: "We love you so much, we could never let you come 
> to harm."
>
>
> #6
> Scene:  Local coffee shop named "Underground Spy and Rebel Network, Come One 
> Come All"
>
> panel 1:
>
> Toddler is staring at Dedicated Cop, who is sitting at the rebel table in 
> conversation, their skull open with brains and microcircuitry hanging out.
>
> Middle Kid (off-panel): "Toddler, whatcha staring at?"
>
>
> panel 2:
>
> Middle Kid (in severe terror): <shrieks loudly! everybody looks at her> 
> "Mommy that man's brains are falling out!  Call 911!"
>
> Mother Supporter: "Shush!" <glances at Dedicated Cop, who has brains hanging 
> out> "That man is fine.  Why are you acting out like this?"
>
> Middle Kid: <stares at mother, astonished, confused, terrified>
>
> Older Kid: "The man is fine.  Don't be such a baby."
>
> Toddler pokes playfully at their own head in the same spot as the opening to 
> Dedicated Cop's skull, acting out having a friendly discussion while your 
> brains are falling out.
>
>
> panel 3:
>
> Rebel Worker 2 (sitting across from Dedicated Cop, to Middle Kid as she walks 
> by to return to her family):
> <hushed>
> "What you saw was real, but for now if you tell the wrong person, you'll get 
> hospitalized yourself.  That's going to change.  You can find me and my 
> friends at this coffee shop.  Tell your mother I told you to listen to her."
>
>
> #7
>
> panel 1:
>
> The rebel table has Cautious Cop and Dedicated Cop (with brains hanging out) 
> in discussion with Rebel Worker 2 and Corpse of State Worker 3 both across 
> the table.  Specialist is sitting nearby.
>
> Rebel Worker 2:  "Thanks so much for coming to speak with us and being 
> willing to listen.  I know these are very serious accusations for 
> Well-Respected Psionic Weaponry Corp to lay against Poor Abused Dictator 
> Megacorp, but this is very real human trafficking and rights abuse."
>
> Corpse of State Worker 3 (looking almost alive, bci surgery carefully hidden 
> now, acting very formal): "Rebel Worker 2 has been advising me from 
> Well-Respected Psionic Weaponry Corp, for some time now.  Rebel Worker 2 was 
> introduced to me as having held their management role at Well-Respected 
> Psionic Weaponry Corp for over a decade."
>
>
> panel 2:
>
> Dedicated Cop (blood flies from their brain a little as they turn their 
> head): "We'll need the full names of the perpetrator and the accuser for the 
> charges."
>
> Rebel Worker 2: "I'm Rebel Worker 2, here's my ID, this is State Worker 3, 
> and I have a recording of Torture Victim Double Agent, an employee of Poor 
> Abused Dictator Megacorp, discussing this with Trusting Coworker, while in 
> the act."
>
>
> panel 3:
>
> Cautious Cop: "We'll collect information and be sure to follow up.  You said 
> you're accusing Poor Abused Dictator Megacorp, not Well-Respected" <coughs> 
> "Psionic Weaponry Corp?"
>
> Rebel Worker 2: <pauses, briefly confused> "Yes.  Poor Abused Dictator 
> Megacorp is engaging in human trafficking and rights abuse, and we have 
> proof."
>
> Specialist: "Sorry to butt in, but I've actually been tracking some attacks 
> on automl systems being developed for human rights, and it's pretty clear the 
> attacks stemmed from the people you're talking about.  I would love to 
> testify to this."
>
>
> #8:
>
> panel 1:
> (Middle Kid goes to the bathroom and finds Specialist laying on the floor.  
> Rebel Worker 2 enters, eyes glazed over.)
>
> Rebel Worker 2 (looking at Middle Kid): "Who are you?"
>
> Middle Kid: "Don't you recognise ..." <Rebel Worker 2 brushes by her, 
> ignoring her, and she hides>
>
> panel 2 (multiple panels):
>
> Rebel Worker 2 takes some things (microcircuitry and a small saw) from inside 
> the flap of the trash, quickly opens the skull of Specialist and places 
> something inside, returns the things, and leaves with Specialist's skull 
> still open.  Specialist begins stirring.
>
> panel 3 (back near the rescue table):
>
> Middle Kid (returning to Mother Supporter): "Mommy, you know how you 
> mentioned the lock on my door, something about bad men, and asked if I wanted 
> to be in charge of the key?  I would like that."
>
> Mother Supporter: "I'll take it out and give it to you when we get home.  We 
> can even install a second lock if you want.  Let's go outside and talk, shall 
> we?"


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