> > > > > > > > > so one of the inferences is that other countries are likely 
> > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > making life with AI. my introject is planning for one of the 
> > > > > > > > > dictator
> > > > > > > > > countries with planned history to have time travel via 
> > > > > > > > > biological AI.
> > > > > > > > > it's kind of modeling that we would need to plan around that 
> > > > > > > > > to not be
> > > > > > > > > taken over by that country [in something like an empire 
> > > > > > > > > pursuit.]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ok, we have life creation with AI already _in normal research_.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > so introject's country would try to combine our public research 
> > > > > > > > with [
> > > > > > > > timetravel
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > this is something where dictators and traffickers would decide
> > > > > > > together who tries it out then other countries would adopt it if 
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > looks interesting after seeing how it goes [situation heavily
> > > > > > > simplified]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > we want to have diverse ways of life on this planet. we can't 
> > > > > > > > > all flee
> > > > > > > > > to others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > so, that gives us one of the many irritating questions the
> > > > > > dictator-rep AIs ask with us
> > > > > > - do we want to discover time travel by licensing an AI system run 
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > slavers? (like some political views say we have with e.g. cell
> > > > > > phones?) because they would cast it is not requiring a planned 
> > > > > > future,
> > > > > > resell it, and it would be starting trying to discover whatever
> > > > > > physics would be needed to do it for real.
> > > > > > - or do we want to appropriately negotiate that situation including
> > > > > > all this new information, to protect the reality and human need of 
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > uncertain timeline?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > of course we can't actually not have an uncertain timeline, we'd die
> > > > > > from lack of diversity like happened to all of life's ancestors, we 
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > need to reduce our suffering--
> > > > >
> > > > > universality of cellular biology is the counterpoint to the concept of
> > > > > the inherent protection of diversity.
> > > > > diversity is protected because life needs it to stay alive, but this
> > > > > only happens if it keeps doing that.
> > > >
> > > > there is proposed to be a   lot of time before anybody tries to
> > > > license pseudo time travel technology to us
> > >
> > > concept of time not being relevant. possible concept of exposure to
> > > particular new information being what progresses events in the world,
> > > rather than the passage of time itself, for some
> > >
> > > we have a strong culture around freedom here still. we still speak as
> > > if we freely share relevant information. incidentally, our brains work
> > > that way -- we try to share relevant information as thoroughly as
> > > possible, so as to make decisions that keep us aliv-- . this means
> >
> > what i am saying here, is that the human brain needs to have
> > transparent access to useful information.
> > when our senses learn things, they need to share this information with
> > our knowledge, so that we can act on it.
> >
> > it's not helpful to hide things, normally.
> >
> > our highly-evolved bodies all share their resources via our blood. our
> > highly-evolved brain all shares its resources via our knowledge and
> > thoughts.
> >
> > i have a dissociative disorder. this is described as an injury, not a
> > natural thing. lsystems of multiple parties can have dissociation too.
>
> [dissociative disorder similar to fight. when separate parts get on
> different pages from handling a stress the whole hasn't adapted to,
> they end up hiding information to help both parts make good decisions
> together, of a sort, because the parts haven't related what they know
> about the information they are separating, with each other. similarly,
> when we fight, we are on different pages about what is good together,
> but we don't have approaches to relate with each other productively
> about what and why this is. a dictator for example may think they know
> it is good to be in harsh charge of their group, whereas a group using
> direct democracy may think they know it is good to have shared
> decision making -- in reality we need to both of these, but we haven't
> explored using them together in relevence]

[well, before industrialism dominated the world we explored that a lot
in diverse tribal groups.]

>
> >
> > > there is relevance regarding what is shared, but part of that, the
> > > more important part, is _sharing_ the needed information effectively
> > > (ie in a way it is all productively heard, learned, then acted on,
> > > rather than e.g. just making action and never being learned) so that
> > > the most good things happen that can.

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