"Patrick Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Jim Choate wrote:
> > As of today the current toad.com member list is below. 
> 
> I can't believe that 1) the who command is enabled on toad, and 2) that you'd
> post all these addresses to the list.  Talk about a massive invasion of privacy.

First, if you believe that the subscription list for a mailing list is 
secure, you're naive.

Second, the WHO command has always been enabled on Cypherpunk lists,
and (at least as far as I know) its disabling at some (if any) nodes
is a relatively recent development.

Third, the addresses are publically available. So Choate posted them
to the list. There's no more invasion of privacy than before; anybody
who wanted the addresses could have gotten them in literally about 10
seconds. 

Fourth, subscribe under a psyedonym if you're concerned about this,
and make sure that the psuedonym isn't conclusively linked to your
real world identity. 

Is Tim really Tim? Are you really Patrick Henry? Am I really David
Marshall? Modulo reputation capital, does it really matter anyway?

ObCode: Nym servers are very well suited to this. Unfortunately, to 
really be practical they need a seamless frontend. Decryption,
encryption, and authentication need to occur automatically, or the
option needs to be there for them to occur automatically. 

Something like premail is good, if it can be made to work with the
various mailers. Perhaps the simplest way to do it all is:

        1) Have a process which runs on the mail spool and does the
           decryption and verification of signatures. This should be
           pretty clean, since most mailers are set up to use the mail
           spool in the first place. Even something like Gnus wouldn't
           have any problem with this, since it reads from the mail
           spool, and this program would be run before it's all
           sorted.
        2) Sending mail could work similar to how premail
           works/worked. 
        3) The individual mail readers would need code which just
           interfaces to this mess. In particular, mail which comes in
           under a nym needs to go out *under that nym* unless the
           user explicitly orders otherwise.

If I wasn't so occupied with grad school right now, I'd give it a
shot. It's a fair bet that everyone else is just as busy, so I'm not
holding my breath for anything like this to be coded. :) Has something
like this already been done? (Freedom is out; Why has been discussed
on this list before, and I won't go back over it.)


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