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> Fucking government troll! Does anyone else think it's odd that Agent
> Bronson here is coming from rocketmail.com, yet it seems yahoo
> automatically put a signature for yahoo mail on the end?
>
> And notice the ^V in the signature?
You're onto me. My mission is to turn this entire list into a bunch of
government-friendly drones merely by posting persuasive emails! (Actually,
Rocketmail was bought out by Yahoo some years back, and I still have the
old addy. The ^V is a carriage-return that your email software messed up.)
> To address your points Herr Bronson:
>
> 1. It is illegal based on the 3rd ammendment to quarter troops of any
> kind
> by force into someone's home. By extension, place of work.
The 3rd amendment argument is a losing argument. The purpose of that
amendment is to prevent repeating something that happened during the
Revolutionary War. It pertains to soldiers shacking up in civilian's
houses, not to a civilian law-enforcement organization hooking a computer
up to your ISP's network.
> 2. The mass interception of email, or any internet traffic by a network
> of
> carnivore (or anything) is an invasion of privacy.
I don't know the specific laws, but this is something the spooks have
always done anyway. Like Donald Kerr said (if FBI spooks like him and me
can be trusted), the FBI routinely orders ISPs to do this surveillance
themselves anyway, when the ISP has the resources to do it.
> 3. Criminals such as kid fuckers, drug dealers and the like do not
> commit
> their crimes by using bits. Ultimately, they must do their deeds in the
> real world - in a bed with a minor, or face to face for a drug deal.
That's true, but you're conviniently ignoring that 'kid fuckers,' drug
dealing rings, etc have to communicate to commit their crimes. This goes
double for child pornographers, online stalkers, credit fraud, etc. who
use the internet itself to commit the crime. If the FBI has court-approved
probable couse, which means they've already turned up good evidence, then
it's fine with me - especially in the case of a suspected terrorist - if
they monitor said suspected terrorist's emails.
The probable cause thing is where I agree, after watching the C-Span
rerun, that carnivore _is_ being used to invade privacy. The rep with the
big face that got there late (sorry, forgot his name) said it best. The
FBI is using Carnivore WITHOUT probable cause, and getting email addresses
just because a suspect sent or recieved emails from non-suspects. And
afterward, they don't notify the non-suspects that their privacy has been
violated.
> 4. Nothing stops criminals from doing business WITHOUT using email, and
> so
> this isn't a silver bullet. That leaves the criminals that are outright
> stupid. So is this why the Feds are doing this? To catch the stupid?
--snip--
> *BUT* all are in danger from the
> smart ones, or the ones that don't use email?????
Carnivore is a pretty weak tool. This is the best that the FBI can do, and
it's already getting into trouble trying to impliment the thing. That's a
scary thought. Apparently, the FBI is not invading our privacy; it's too
inept to do so.
Hey - maybe the whole carnivore thing is just a red herring to distract us
while some real heinous snooping is going on at the ISP level.
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