At 03:43 PM 4/1/02 -0800, Morlock Elloi wrote:
>> multimedia and the like). Clearly, ISPs want to keep their customers
>> happy, as they know that they will otherwise switch to another
provider.
>
>Nonsense. Following this logic, broadcast/cable TV should be of high
quality
>since they also want to keep their customers happy, and customers want
quality,
>don't they ? Bullshit.

If by "quality" you mean signal quality, they do a reasonable job.
(Customers gripe about
perceivable losses, you know.)  If you mean semantic quality, well, they
sell what people buy.
You could gripe about how most CDs sold, which are technically
excellent, contain pop trash,
but you're wasting your breath.

>> secure telephony. Most ADSL is 384/1024 these days, and cable modem
>> (6*10^3 customers in the U.S. alone) is roughly 500/500. In selected

6,000?  Methinks you dropped a kilo.. (maybe it'll wash up in the
keys...)
or swapped exponent and mantissa

Cable is typically 1Mbit download, 1-200 Kbit upload, slightly better
than
*DSL on telco copper.  Often downloads are slower because of congestion
elsewhere (server, upstream nets).

>Nonsense. Try actual tests on actual consumer grade lines.

These are real numbers from our cable modem.  110 Kbyte/sec downloads,
27 Kbyte/sec uploads.
[BTW, We do see TCP/80 incoming blocked, but there are so many other
portnumbers to chose from...]

>Access pattern of *DSL lines reverts to modem usage 30-45 days after
consumer
>switches from analog modem to DSL. There is no bandwidth within ISPs to
provide
>anything more to consumers but modem speeds, on average.

Not true.  Folks get quite used to adsorbing multimedia that they
wouldn't have the
patience for at 56Kbit/sec.  (They also enjoy the reduced latency).
They may use
live services like streaming audio, or attempt to download movies.  All
these things
are *motivation* for people to migrate to "broadband" ISPs, which the
ISPs therefore like.
If all people did was send text email, there would be no "broadband" ISP
market.
(And I'm not even considering gaming or realtime chat motivators, as I
know little about them.)

And you should know that, although oversubscribed, "on average" ISPs
have plenty of b/width.
Review your queueing theory.

The very things that Jack Valenti hates, broadband ISPs love.  And the
creative folks still
have their hands on the printing presses, so if there is a slowdown in
the rate of content generation,
it might only be in comparison to the last ~5 years, when a lot of
'pent-up' creative energy was expended
upon first exposure to the net.  However, the supply of whackos,
artists, editors, authors, and agitators
has not waned.

But yes, these currently largely benign (if monopolistic) ISPs -whatever
their speeds- are the weakest link, where state and corporate fascism
can exert control.

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And Morloch: your replacing DNS (as a vulnerable point of
failure/control) is a good idea.  Of course,
AOL does this, with their own name space.  But without their tightly
herded masses, or access to the Root Servers
you'll have to write a browser plug-in, or background daemon that
modifies the resolver's behavior, or extendable resolver.  You could
append to Windows (et al) "hosts" file, and the normal resolver would
pick that up.  I'm surprised there are no attempts to do that, but then,
there's the Network (aka FAX) Effect operating here.  Does that
baptista.god fellow write code?

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