"The other formats of note are probably SACD and then DVD-Audio. SACD
is multichannel 16-bit/44.1kHz... so multichannel CD without additional
sample resolution (if I recall). SACD is not "backwards compatible"
though, whereas HDCD is.

DVD-Audio is really the way to go, though... 24-bit/96kHz multichannel
or up to 192kHz two-channel. Lots more bits, lots more samples. It makes
a huge difference on "pretty good or better" gear."

You kinda got it mixed up. SACD (Sponsored by SONY) is actually being 
targeted for 24/96 (or was that 24/88...I can't remember) for 2-channel 
audio, while DVD-A (also 24/96, I believe)is being pushed towards 
multichannel (5+1) audio.

Neither will play in a standard DVD player, though some discs will contain a 
16/48kHz version for regular DVD players.

As for backward compatibility, though, SACD has the capability to contain a 
CD layer AND an SACD layer, and SONY has announced that they'll be releasing 
a lot of stuf like this (like the Stones remastered back catalogue, I 
think). And theoretically, they'll price the discs at under $20 with the 
idea that non-audiophiles can buy them and play them in a standard CD player 
now, and then get the high bitrate version when they  buy an SACD player one 
day. DVD-A will always require a special DVD player--there is no CD layer 
specified (CD and DVD use different lasers and have different pit 
sizes--they are intrinisically incompatible at the physical layer.)

As for steganography, a problem that audiophiles are pointing out is that 
DVD-A contains some kind of anti-piracy watermarking that degrades the sound 
as compared to SACD. Meanwhile, the marketing for DVD-A is all confused, so 
it's likely DVD-A will be DOA in a few years (a lot of folks don't believe 
there's a market for 5+1 audio anyway). In addition, there are not a lot of 
5+1 audio recordings anyone wants to hear, and remixing 2 channels into 5+1 
is always a questionable process.





>From: Jeremey Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>CC: Peter Gutmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED],   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Real-world steganography
>Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:15:21 -0500
>
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>Paul Krumviede wrote:
>| --On Tuesday, 01 October, 2002 13:54 +1200 Peter Gutmann
>|
>| maybe. i'm not sure how many players support it (my spectral D/A
>| convertor does, but then some of the people at spectral seem to
>| have invented HDCD). while the CDs i have that use it sound
>| pretty good, i don't have any good way to compare them when
>| played back over a non-HDCD capable convertor (i could hook
>| up one of my computer CD drives, but that doesn't seem fair
>| compared to the spectral transport-D/A combination).
>|
>
>The extra 4 bits add quite a bit, subjectively. I've compared the same
>CD on the same system with an HDCD player and non-HDCD player.
>
>| but when i do play such CDs on other gear, i don't notice any
>| audible degradation, so it isn't obviously harmful.
>|
>| i've seen comments in reviews of professional CD mastering
>| gear that there are other, seemingly preferred, technologies,
>| although i've never found details of them.
>|
>
>The other formats of note are probably SACD and then DVD-Audio. SACD
>is multichannel 16-bit/44.1kHz... so multichannel CD without additional
>sample resolution (if I recall). SACD is not "backwards compatible"
>though, whereas HDCD is.
>
>DVD-Audio is really the way to go, though... 24-bit/96kHz multichannel
>or up to 192kHz two-channel. Lots more bits, lots more samples. It makes
>a huge difference on "pretty good or better" gear.
>
>Regards,
>Jeremey.
>- --
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