> Harmon Seaver[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
> 
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 07:32:10AM -0800, Marshall Clow wrote:
> > >[snip]  
> > >   Exactly. Trains are great. I currently live 80 miles from both
> Milwaukee and
> > >Madison.
> > 
> > I recently had to travel from San Diego to San Francisco.
> > I investigated three options (all times are door to door)
> >     1) Flying - about 4 hours - $95 round trip.
> >     2) Driving - about 8 hours - $60 round trip
> >     3) Train - about 17 hours - $130 round trip.
> > 
> > Help me out here - why would I take the train?
> 
>   Comfort, for one. Vastly greater comfort, no hassles with airport thugs,
> etc.
> Also, you didn't factor in the subsidies. Those prices would change
> greatly if
> you took away the billions given to airlines recently, and the 100 years
> of
> subsidies to trucks. Travel times for the trains would be much, much
> better by
> now as well. Look at Japan and Europe -- trains work extremely well.
> 
> Harmon Seaver 
> 
Factor in the subsidies? OK, lets start with the $20 odd billion in
subsidies 
Amtrak has burned through since its inception. Back in '97 the average 
subsidy for a Chicago to Denver passenger was $650.

Counting in subsidies, that $130 round trip is probably over to $300, most
of it from taxpayers. It would be cheaper to close down the whole system,
and give passengers free (to them) bus or air tickets.

Cites: http://www.cato.org/dailys/5-22-97.html
          http://www.publicpurpose.com/ic-amtroute.htm

Peter Trei

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