Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:31:28 -0500
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From: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [IP] Researchers Work on Anti - Terror Program
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At 10:23 AM 2/13/2003 -0500, Dave Farber wrote:
So terrorists can but assault weapons etc. That9s ok!!!
Dave,

I wouldn't have a problem with preventing terrorists from buying firearms, or for that matter forcibly disarming them with extreme prejudice.

The problem is that we don't know in advance who a terrorist is, and by all accounts very, very few people in America are members of Al Qaeda or other terrorist cells. So when crafting a rule to target terrorist gun-buyers, we're by definition applying it to law-abiding members of the community. (It would be like saying "record names of all encryption users, just in case.")

Creating a registry of all U.S. firearm transfers means that it would become illegal for a member of a family to give a gun to their brother, sister, or cousin without filling out a form. It would be illegal to sell a firearm without government approval, or at least government notification. And consider the privacy and other risks of having a national database of all (or at least recent) gun owners.

Such a rule would also encourage a black market in gun sales and bring the undesirable characteristics that black markets generally provide. Given that 60 million people (according to the BBC) in America own a combined total of over 200 million firearms, it would be very difficult to enforce. ("When did you buy that firearm? Before or after the Domestic Tranquility Act took effect?")

Also, it's anything but clear that terrorists are relying on firearms to cause havoc. The examples of recent large-scale terrorism inside the U.S. that I can come to mind involve box cutters and quantities of explosives. Restricting "assault weapons" or recording their sale would seem to have little effect.

Finally, there's the Second Amendment, which the Justice Department believes protects an individual right, just as the rest of the Bill of Rights does:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/guncontrol_010711.html

And an article about a new lawsuit challenging Washington, DC's gun control laws, which say the mere *possession* of *any* firearm without prior government approval -- even by security guards and people in bad neighborhoods hoping to defend their homes from predators -- is illegal:
http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20030212-71671916.htm

Best,
Declan


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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:10:38 -0500
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One small point.  It is currently illegal to build a registry of gun
purchases as the article describes:

18 U.S. Code ' 922

    ``(i) Prohibition Relating To Establishment of Registration Systems
With Respect to Firearms.--No department, agency, officer, or employee
of the United States may--
        ``(1) require that any record or portion thereof generated by
    the system established under this section be recorded at or
    transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the
    United States or any State or political subdivision thereof; or
        ``(2) use the system established under this section to establish
    any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or
    firearm transactions or dispositions, except with respect to
    persons, prohibited by section 922(g) or (n) of title 18, United
    States Code, or State law, from receiving a firearm.

--
Jonathan Goldstein
President
Urban Technology Group, Inc.
http://www.urbantechgroup.com
c: +1-215-266-5948
f: +1-215-569-1963



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Reasearchers Work on Anti - Terror Program

February 13, 2003
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS






Filed at 1:47 a.m. ET

Financed by more than $20 million in government contracts,
researchers are taking the first steps toward developing a
system that could sift through the financial, telephone,
travel and medical records of millions of people in hopes
of identifying terrorists before they strike.

So far, the companies awarded contracts by the Defense
Department are using only fabricated data in their work on
the program, which is called Total Information Awareness.

The Pentagon's technology chief, Pete Aldridge, has said
the department is interested in tying together such
privately held data as credit card records, bank
transactions, car rental receipts and gun purchases, along
with massive quantities of intelligence information already
gathered by the federal government.

The project has met some resistance in Congress because of
privacy concerns. Some lawmakers are pushing an amendment
to a spending bill that would prohibit the system from ever
gathering information on American citizens without a
congressional vote approving it.

Meanwhile, contractors and researchers told The Associated
Press that they have already been developing pieces of TIA.
For example, Doug Lenat, president of Texas-based Cycorp,
said his researchers had already built a system to identify
phone-calling patterns as they might exist among potential
terrorists overseas.

Other TIA contractors include defense giant Raytheon and
Telcordia, a telecommunications company specializing in
research and development. Several other companies have been
waiting to finalize deals.

So far, contractors have worked with fake data, things like
made-up telephone numbers and receipts that look like real
consumer records, but aren't, according to interviews and
public records.

Aldridge outlined the program in a news conference in
November after questions arose about the choice of John
Poindexter to head TIA.

The former admiral and national security adviser to
President Reagan has been a lightning rod. A figure in the
Iran-Contra scandal, he was convicted on charges of lying
to Congress, destroying official documents and obstructing
a congressional investigation. The verdicts were overturned
on appeal.

>From the start, the idea of TIA has proven controversial,
pitting national security worries against fears the
government would run roughshod over individual privacy.

``We're talking about the most expansive, far reaching
surveillance program ever proposed. The Congress has got to
take a stand here,'' said Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., who has
led efforts to restrict TIA.

Pentagon officials declined repeated interview requests by
AP for this story.

After coming under earlier Senate criticism, the Defense
Department named a TIA oversight panel and issued a news
release denying it is building a gigantic database.

However, a document that was part of the department's bid
solicitation for the TIA said ``the term 'database' is
intended to convey a new kind of extremely large,
omni-media, virtually-centralized and semantically rich
information repository.''

Peter Higgins, a consultant and former CIA chief
information officer, said what officials wanted from TIA
was a system that would use relevant private and
government-compiled information to spot patterns or
convergences.

For example, a government-collected list of every person
treated for anthrax exposure could help find people
plotting a biological attack. Even more useful: finding
people on that list who also telephone Afghanistan.

Electronic records are already ubiquitous in corporate
America. Businesses keep lists of cardiac patients, BMW
owners, subscribers to porn magazines, even people who tend
to do their grocery shopping about the time they receive
sales circulars, Higgins said.

Privacy laws governing the disclosure of personal
electronic data vary widely, depending on the type of data.


The Fair Credit Reporting Act, for example, forbids credit
bureaus from combining the data they collect about a
customer's on-time payment history with data the bureaus
sell to direct marketers. The Federal Election Commission
allows the Republican and Democratic parties to sell lists
of people who contribute.

The Pentagon began advertising for bids to work on TIA last
March, inviting ideas to exploit ``novel'' information
sources and new electronic research methods.

Overseeing the research is the Defense Advanced Research
Project Agency, or DARPA, the same office that developed
the Internet. According to the published solicitation,
DARPA planned a five-year timeline for TIA: three to
develop ideas and demonstrations, two to build and expand
on the most promising ones.

The TIA budget is $30 million from the current and past
fiscal years.

In all, 26 bids were received, said DARPA spokeswoman Jan
Walker. Four companies were awarded contracts. According to
the TIA Web site, many other organizations were already
working on pieces Poindexter planned to connect to TIA.

The companies included:

-- Cycorp, based in Austin,
Texas, which was awarded $9.8 million to work on a
prototype database. The company specializes in searching
data.

-- Telcordia, based in Morristown, N.J., which won a $5.2
million contract to focus on connecting data already
available within different government offices.

-- Hicks Associates, of McLean, Va., which was awarded $3.6
million to study the feasibility of TIA, how it would
develop, and to create a prototype.

-- Booz, Allen & Hamilton, based in Falls Church, Va.,
which won a $1.5 million contract. Its purpose was not
publicly disclosed.

Raytheon Co., based in Lexington, Mass., which confirmed
that it is under contract with DARPA. Spokesman David Shay
declined to outline Raytheon's specific role.

Another research firm, RAND Corp., based in Santa Monica,
Calif., confirmed it was expecting to work on TIA. Neither
the company nor the Pentagon would provide details.

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On the Net:

DARPA: http://www.darpa.mil/iao


Cycorp: http://www.cyc.com

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-Total-Information-Awareness.ht

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