On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:02:41 -0800, Tim May wrote:

> I'm quite happy with the way the train wreck/clusterfuck is developing. Consider 
>some trends/outcomes:
>
> * dissatisfaction with NATO, tensions within the U.N.

They just voted unanimously to send the weaponry to Turkey, just 
like the US wanted.

>
> * American statism revealed nakedly: an America that _starts_ a war (never again can 
>children be taught that the U.S. never initiates wars)

Really? They teach children that the Civil War was about 
slavery, don't they? Most people believe it. They teach that the 
second amendment is about duck hunting, don't they?

>
> * the possibility that a clusterfuck in Iraq will spin out of control, possibly even 
>resulting in nukewar over and around Israel.

Israel will come out smelling like roses, regardless. They have 
nukes, a large military, and the total protection of the US 
military. It would just be an excuse to sterilie once and for 
all Ramallah and the West Bank.

>
> * increasing anarchist sentiments

They can't get organized.

>
> * rising sentiment against Total Information Awareness, Homeland Security, the 
>Reichsprotektorate, etc.

Sentiment and $1.50 will get you a cup of starbucks.

>
> I never saw this much hatred toward the U.S Government by Europeans and Middle 
>Easterners, even during the height of the Vietnam War and then the Cold War (where 
>European pacifists were upset at the Pershing missile deployment, military bases, 
>etc.).

Like Bush cares. No effect, unless you are still hanging on to 
that "will of the people" bullshit.

>
> (BTW, we can help to feed this hatred in various ways. I've been spreading reports 
>on Usenet groups and European chat rooms from a "pro-U.S." point of view, talking 
>about the SIOP nuke targetting plans for Iraq and Iran, mentioning CIA plans to 
>implement "regime change" in France, etc. The astute in these newsgroups may realize 
>I am yanking their chain, but it still inflames things. Which is good, for our goals.)

Wow, that will motivate maybe 16 easily delluded people.

>
> Disorder is on the rise. If a war happens, lots of opportunities.

For residential B&E maybe.

>
> If the war is over too quickly, or fizzles, or the U.S. backs down, much is lost. 
>The "good war" will have massive scenes of Iraqi casualties, graphic images of dead 
>babies and women, and at least a few thousand dead American soldiers. An even better 
>war will have the conflict lasting for many months, with U.S. stormtroopers occupying 
>Baghdad. This will inflame the Arab street.

Easy to keep CNN out. And the news media is the new lapdog of 
the war machine.

>
> NATO will unravel (which is good, as its mission ended when the Cold War ended). The 
>U.N. may relocate its HQ to Wien or Geneve, which is appropriate...it is absurd that 
>a world body be located in the heart of America. (This will be good for NYC, 
>actually, though not economically.)

Who cares.

>
> Fuck NATO. Fuck the U.N. Fuck the U.S. Security State.
>
> This train wreck is going better than I thought it would.

That's strange.

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