Right, which is why I said the following: "If you don't buy your Metrocard with cash..."
and "Of course face->card links aren't card->identity links, but if you're wanted, they're more than good enough." Please DO read the entire message before needlessly replying. ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: > This ain't Singapore, now...it's NYC. You can (and always will) be able to > buy a Metrocard with cash at the remaining token booths. And while I'd bet > many have cameras (for anti-token booth-type crime, including setting the > booth on fire), I really doubt they'd be able to accurately track an > individual that didn't want to be tracked. Unlike, say Hong Kong, you don't > swipe your card to leave the system...you only swipe upon entry. And you can > have as many cards as you want. > > And then, there are still many unattended exit points that have no cameras > (and in many of those remote points, the installation of cameras would > eventually be met with graffitti or vandalism). The NYC subway system is > just too big to monitor. > > Which leads me to a mini-rant. NYC has been described as "statist" by some > on this list, but despite the laws and whatnot, in many ways its fairly > anarchic out here. Cops tend to leave you alone unless you're robbing or > killing somebody. Other than that, for the most part its "don't ask/don't > tell". Prostitution is left alone unless the locals raise enough fuss over > it. Drugs get the occsional bust, but the vast majority are left alone if > its discrete. Now don't get me wrong...there are plenty of exceptions. And > if you f with the cops, your going to get your ass kicked. But keep a low > profile, don't screw with anybody that doesn't want to be screwed with, and > you can do almost whatever you want. (Even taxes aren't a problem if you're > willing to deal with the hassles of avoiding paying...) > > > -TD > > > > >From: Sunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: stuart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Fatherland Security measures more important than Bennetton > >tags! > >Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:08:41 -0500 (est) > > > >Some of this is already in place. > > > >If you don't buy your Metrocard with cash, they have records of who you > >are. It's basically an ATM that takes ATM cards, credit cards (and some > >take cash also.) If you pay the machine by cash, you can be sure your > >face is linked to your Metrocard - since it's an ATM, they have to record > >who uses it. > > > >If you've signed up for the Mail & Ride thing for the LIRR, they've got > >your metrocard linked already. > > > >Not sure about the booths, wouldn't surprise me though. You can still buy > >preset cards from newsstands - YMMV. > > > >Also, don't forget that each metrocard has it's own serial number. If > >you're not just a casual user, they can figure out around where you live > >because you use it twice. Once from home, once from work. Further, if > >you take them up on their offer to refresh the amount there - which they > >try to get you to do by making it so you always have a few extra cents > >left over on the card, there's another chance you might just use a credit > >card, etc... > > > >If there are cameras near the turnstyles, it's easy to spot who swiped > >which card and where they go based on timestamps. > > > >Of course face->card links aren't card->identity links, but if you're > >wanted, they're more than good enough. > > > >----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- > > + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ > > \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ > ><--*-->:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ > > /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ > > + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net ------------ > > > >On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, stuart wrote: > > > > > What's to link? All that can be linked is that a metrocard was bought > > > in one place, be it a subway station, deli or whatever, and then used > > > somewhere else, the subway or bus. Hundreds of metrocards are bought > > > at every station every day, used once, and tossed in the trash. > > > (Actually, most of them get tossed on the train tracks.) > > > All that can be linked is that one anonymous person, along with dozens > > > of others, bought a metrocard and got on the subway a few minutes > > > later, and then vanished into the crush. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >
