On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn
<d.s.seljeb...@astro.uio.no> wrote:
> On 04/07/2011 10:00 AM, Stefan Behnel wrote:
>>
>> Dag Sverre Seljebotn, 07.04.2011 07:54:
>>>
>>> On 04/07/2011 02:12 AM, Robert Bradshaw wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Zak Stone wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Researchers: Please consider citing this paper if Cython helps your
>>>>>>> research in non-trivial ways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this the canonical citation reference for Cython now? If so, can
>>>>>> this be
>>>>>> mentioned on the Cython webpage somewhere that is prominent enough to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> found?
>>>>>
>>>>> On a related note, would it be possible to post a preprint somewhere
>>>>> that isn't behind a paywall? If that's allowed, I would be delighted
>>>>> to share the preprint with friends to introduce them to Cython.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I think we can post the pre-print, though I'm opposed to making
>>>> this the "canonical citation" just because of this paywall.
>>>
>>> Is this for ideological or practical reasons?
>>
>> Both.
>>
>>
>>> This is probably the only paper in a "real" journal for some time, and
>>> citations are going to boost the authors' citation counts. Nobody would
>>> actually look up the citation anyway simply to learn about Cython, they'd
>>> just Google it.
>>
>> Depends on the reference. If it's just cited as "you know, Cython", people
>> will either look for "Cython" directly and be happy, or they may look up the
>> paper, see that it's paid, and keep searching, either for the paper or for
>> the project. If it's cited as "in that paper, you can read about doing X
>> with Cython", then people will try even harder to get at the paper. In
>> either case, chances are that they need to invest more time because of the
>> reference, compared to a plain link in a footnote. So citing this article is
>> likely to be an inconvenience for interested readers of papers that cite it.
>
> I guess this depends on the paper and reader in question then. Myself I'd
> never bother with the paper but go right to the website. Citing is just
> "paying the authors of the software through improving their citation stats".
> Then again my field is unfortunately very much pyramid-scheme-inflicted.
>
> I definitely think we should encourage giving a footnote as well.
>
> How about just presenting the situation as it is in a "Citing Cython"
> section, and leave the decision up to who's citing Cython? ("If you don't
> like to cite a paywall paper, a website reference is OK. At any rate, please
> link to the website in a footnote the first time you mention Cython.")Of course eventually it'd be nice if people just wrote "we coded this up in Cython" and a reference felt as out of place there as if they had provided a reference for Fortran or C :-). We're a long way from there though. > Really, I hate the current situation as much as you do. But I see moving the > world towards open access as the task of those whose already got a bit up > the food chain; I'm just at the start of my PhD. (And it should be obvious > I'm arguing with my own interests in mind here.) > > Dag Sverre > _______________________________________________ > cython-devel mailing list > cython-devel@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/cython-devel > _______________________________________________ cython-devel mailing list cython-devel@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/cython-devel
