Hi Arthur I think many people think they will get Austrian citizenship due to the recent offer by the Austrian government to those of Bukovina (or any ex Austrian Monarchy country) descent who suffered under the Nazis. As you may know from my emails, I have also now opted for the “less fancy” Romanian passport – I am due my second visit to the Embassy tomorrow and will report how things are going.
My concern about the Romanian passport versus an Austrian one is that we don’t know what will happen to the less “established” members of the EU (such as Romania) – will they leave the Union or be forced out in years to come? The reason most of us wish to gain one of these citizenships is for the benefits of a EU passport, in particular now that we have had Brexit in the UK. I am not sure why some of the US citizens want a EU passport – with all the freedoms they have - although (in my personal opinion) the current Republicans are a very scary group of people and who knows how much further to the right they will move and how many voting restrictions will be legalised. I am surprised your cousin, who left Austria after the Anschluss, could not get citizenship. Did she try under this relatively new legislation? Maybe the Austrian Embassy felt that as the family had left the country “early” they were not subjected to any reprisals – which of course is nonsense, as most of us whose families have had to flee will attest. Losing your home, your homeland and your belongings is suffering enough and it endures through generations. But if it is correct that you need proof of Austrian citizenship after the Bukovina was annexed by Romania it is a difficult hoop to jump through. I am not sure my grandparents even had an Austrian passport although my grandfather worked for the Austrian State Railway during the monarchy and was an ”official” of the government. Not sure if everyone was obliged to take Romanian citizenship after 1920 or thereabouts. Does anyone know? Karin From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Arthur von Czernowitz Sent: 29 November 2021 11:08 To: Berti Glaubach <[email protected]> Cc: Fred Weisinger <[email protected]>; David Dukes <[email protected]>; Shaul Morgenstern <[email protected]>; CZERNOWITZ-L <[email protected]>; alisa lottati <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Austrian Passport Thank you Berti. People just don’t understand that they will never get an Austrian passport just because they’re grandfather was born in Czernowitz. My cousin Clari, who was born in Vienna and is receiving a monthly Rente from the Austrian government is unable to get an Austrian passport. The lates request from the Austrian consulate in London was the original marriage certificate of her parents. Her parents were married in Czernowitz in 1930 and later moved to Vienna where Clari was born in 1935. They run away to England after the Anschluss. All you people who want to get an European passport try the Romanian, you qualify it is so much easier. I know a Romanian passport is not so fancy but it’s still an European passport. Arthur Sent from my iPad On Nov 29, 2021, at 4:01 AM, Berti Glaubach <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: As I wrote before, you cannot obtain Austrian citizenship under the new law only because your parents or great parents had it. The Austro Hungarian period is not relevant here, and the fact that Bukowina was part of it neither. You have to be a descendant of an Austrian citizen who left Austria (not another country like Rumania, Poland etc.) between 1933 and 1955, either directly because of the Nazi regime, or after the war. Actually, the new law recognizes the fact that even for the 10 years after the war, Jews had difficulties staying in Austria and their descendants (3 generations) are rightfully considered Austrian citizens. Forget about Bukovina without having a parent who retained Austrian citizenship, or went back to Austria after the War received it and left again before 1955. On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 5:41 AM Fred Weisinger <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Fred Weisinger fredhotman @yahoo,com,@ list. cornell. edu to Czernowitz-L To all those interested I would suggest trying the Austrian Consulate & or Embassy in your area first solicitors can prolong be expensive, next those that were young & deported never carried any documents on their persons ,it was the parents. Czernowitz authorities have the original birth register. Up to 1920 Bukovina was Austrian if you remember ,some stories of your parents' past bring it up. Whatever you do try the Austrian Embassy or Consulate directly they will advise you no guessing. Got mine within 4 month. Good luck alles beste.... On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 6:23 AM David Dukes <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Generally speaking, under the new Austrian citizenship law you shouldn’t need > a lawyer to apply. The documentation requirements would be on the Austrian > Embassy in Israel website . I’m sure they will be cooperative. > The main issue is how many of these documents you still hold or can get hold > of, especially the birth certificates going back to the original Austrian > citizen in the family. > > I was fortunate that my father was always very careful with documentation and > took a complete set with him when he left Vienna in 1938 for Palestine. > > Regards > David Dukes > •Sent from phone > > > On 27 Nov 2021, at 6:46 pm, Shaul Morgenstern > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I am in a similar situation. My parents-Morgenstern moved from Cernowitz to > > Radautz in 1939 and then to Transnistria-Mogilev in 1941. I was borne in > > 1945 in Radautz after their return from the 4 years "holidays". As from > > 1970 I am leaving in Israel. > > I would appreciate receiving the same information as required by Alisa. > > > > Many thanks in advance > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Shaul Morgenstern > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > On Behalf Of alisa lottati > > Sent: Friday, November 26, 2021 8:07 AM > > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > Subject: [czernowitz-l] Austrian Passport > > > > Hi, > > I would like to obtain Austrian citizenship as a descendent of parents from > > Radauti Bukovina , who were deported to Transnistria, Moghilev. > > I was wondering if anyone who went through this process could advise about > > the documents I need and if I have to go through a lawyer which would be > > very expensive, or could I forward the documents I’ll need, directly to the > > embassy. > > Thank you so much, > > Alisa Lottati > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > This moderated discussion group is for information exchange on the subject > > of Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and Genealogy. 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