On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 01:37 +0200, Linux-Fan wrote: > Just got a message that the list server did not like the URL in my > signature. I have amended the message to hopefully reach the list properly. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Wayland in Debian / About Window Buttons and Menu Bars > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 01:29:04 +0200 > From: Linux-Fan <[email protected]> > Organization: Ma_Sys.ma > To: [email protected] > > On 04/16/2014 06:16 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > [...] > > > And a serious question, perhaps OT, but we never know. > > The question directly asks for opinion and is not really Debian-related > -- it could be asked on another Linux mailing list or even about Windows > applications. Still I also consider it an interesting question. > > > Do you like the trend to drop window title bars, resp. to drop window > > buttons and to drop menu bars? > > These are three different questions. > > 1. IMO window title bars are useful to provide information like the > page title or opened file or the terminal name or such and are > therefore useful as long as they are not provided by a different > means (for example browser tabs or VIM status line or some people's > shell prompts) > 2. The usefulness of window buttons depends on the window manager. > Currently, I use Spectrwm which offers no window buttons. Instead, I > close windows with [WIN]-[X], maximize windows with > [WIN]-[SHIFT]-[3], [WIN]-[3] (move window to workspace 3 and open > workspace 3) or [WIN]-[SPACE] (cycle layout) and minimize windows > using [WIN]-[W]. As you can see, graphical buttons are not required. > 3. Concerning the menu bars. Although I try to avoid complex graphical > applications more and more, I still use some, for example Iceweasel, > Icedove, Libreoffice and JEdit. Menus make the large set of these > programs' features available which is why I consider them useful. > Differently worded: Dropping menu bars from complex and graphical > applications is *bad* IMHO. > > > www.another-bloated-desktop-conspiracy-question-mark.neverneverland > > :) From my point of view an OT list is OK for such questions.
:) Btw. I don't think it's a conspiracy, but a step into the wrong direction. Assumed we use displays and not braille, then for some needs we want to have at least menu and tool bars, e.g. for pro-audio usage. Wayland seems to be a step to drop WMs for the DEs and to open the doors to break work-flows for special needs. The majority seems to like what current gedit, gnome calculator etc. from upstream do (not) provide. No title, no menu and no tool bars. I dislike this step into the wrong direction. _______________________________________________ D-community-offtopic mailing list [email protected] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic
