On 6/9/14, Andrei POPESCU <[email protected]> wrote: > On Du, 08 iun 14, 16:44:06, Ric Moore wrote: >> You SURE you got that right?? Otherwise, what is the point >> of having an OT list to relieve the stress on the normal tech >> support list? Please note I am >> posting to and you are replying to d-community-offtopic >> :) Ric
Ric, that you for your rational and reserved nature here. We are visibly seeing here, the clear beginning of the descent predicted by some of us to result from that all powerful, almighty savior of peace, prosperity, good will, good behaviour, decency, morals, ethics, righteousness, family, our government, the NSA and, most importantly, protector of "the Debian way"! Yes people, you guessed it, The Debian COC ! > The point of -offtopic is to have place for the Debian Community to > discuss non-Debian stuff. The Debian Code of Conduct[1] still applies. > > [1] http://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct.en.html > > Kind regards, > Andrei We have been warned! Ralph, do NOT even THINK about pointing out trolls and impersonators! If you even go _near_ that territory, you MUST display a bunch of empathy, love and compassion for the victims, and emphatic and severe denouncing of each specific item of bad behaviour. Your denouncement dissertation MUST run at least 3 metric A4 pages or 2000 words, whicever is longer. Speling corections WILL NEVER BE TOLLERATED under threat of CLOSURE of these COMMUNITY mailing lists! YOU WILL COMPLY! DO _NOT_ REPLY AND _DO_ NOT EVEN _SQUEAK_ IN RESPONSE! > From: Holger Levsen <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: Ralf Mardorf <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: A loser at ATT > Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 12:01:47 +0200 > Mailer: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64; KDE/4.8.4; x86_64; ; ) > > Hi Ralf, > > On Sonntag, 8. Juni 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 05:58 +0000, Jerry Stuckle seemingly did not >> wrote: [snip] >> >> Jerry's address isn't (at)outlook.com, it's (at)attglobal.net. > > I'm sad to see this as your only comment on that disgusting post (given the > context of debian-user@ in the last days). In what way did Ralph FAIL to abide by the almighty Debian COC??? > I think this has nailed it for me to close this list (debian-offtopic) now. > If > you want to have offtopic discussions, go to the next kindergarden, pub or > whatever you fancy, but I dont see the point of this alioth list anymore. > > cheers, > Holger Holger, I am not understanding your intent to close this list. It serves a very useful purpose to direct debian-user venting and stuff _away_ from d-u. You then post these follow ups: > Current follow-ups: > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/d-community-offtopic/2014-June/000644.html This is Ralph's explanation to you, that he was trying to spend (minimum) effort to make sure others on offtopic don't mistake the fake Jerry post for the real Jerry. Again, is there something in the COC which says that if you point out someone is a likely a troll and/ or most likely faking somebody else's identity, then you have to go to even more lengths to point out other problems with that person's email (which said email is self-evidently a bunch of shit anyway)??? Seriously? > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/d-community-offtopic/2014-June/000645.html This was a spelling mistake correction. I abhor them normally, but forgive them on d-c-ooftopic. On 6/8/14, Ralf Mardorf <[email protected]> wrote: > Btw. Holger, thank you that the blame now is on me. I didn't flame at > Debian user, I tried to help Horatio, when it wasn't clear that he was > trolling. Please blame the people who contributed to the flame war > instead of me. I wholeheartedly sharing Ralph's position here. It seems to me Holger, that (I have not read the COC) that the Debian COC is being interpreted to say that anyone who comments in response to a troll (even if they are trying to be useful in a small way) must now gush out empathy for the victims and sternly denounce the trolls and those who who responded in The Wrong Way (TM) (C) (R). > On 8 June 2014 22:10, Ric Moore <[email protected]> wrote: >> On 06/08/2014 04:50 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: >>> On Sonntag, 8. Juni 2014, Ric Moore wrote: >>>> You SURE you got that right?? >>> >>> yes. >> >> In Your Humble Opinion, just how should an OT list behave? >> Inquiring minds want to know. And, is this the real Holger Levsen? >> Someone who knows him please check. Ric Thank you Ric, I 111% support you on this re the OT list. On 6/9/14, Terence <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, All, Hi Terence, please bottom post, even on d-c-offtopic@... <shit, am I violating the COC by suggesting to bottom post, and not serenely referring the poster directly to the COC?? I haven't read the COC so I don't know...> > If the original troll is still watching the list, he must be wetting > himself laughing at the effects he has had. > > Please, let us get back to what passes for normal here! : ) > > Terence Very true. The problem is, we have some all powerful and godly list masters (godly because they can do no wrong of course) (godly powerful presumably also who are debian developers), proclaiming to us that Ralph, by pointing out that 'someone' who posted to this list for the first time was most likely an impersonator (which could well be useful to others subscribed to this list but not subscribed to d-u), that Ralph is somehow out of line, and breaking the Debian COC?!!? Wtf?! Well it sounds to me like the Debian COC has got 'little man' syndrome. Our predictions of the effects of a Debian COC are coming true, only _much_ quicker than I thought. So the evidence is this may be a speedy learning process for the Debian "community" (whatever the firetruck that is). And a speedy process is about the best that could be hoped for, I guess. Bring on the COCs!! Teachin' all us dis-enfranchised peasant's on debian-user and heathens on d-c-offtopic all a lesson y'all! All bow before the power! (Don't get me wrong, I'd like to be a DD, and for the right reasons too - I didn't quite finish my own application about 18 years ago because life caught up with me and another developer (with my consent) ended up packaging the package I wanted packaged at the time - but seriously, a 'community' in this context, of debian-users@ and d-c-offtopic@ mailing lists, includes yes, you guessed it, the users.) A COC that allows for action of sanctioning individuals (or threatening the sanction, eg such as threat of this entire ot list being shut down as a result of Ralph's pointing out of a most likely troll impersonator) is a COC allowing action pursuant to emotional grounds, non-rational grounds, indeterminate grounds, grounds of shifting sands, grounds which we cannot know until the SS comes in and points a gun to our head and says "your measely d-community-offtopic life^^^^list is over, now!" Please, think of the children - they may be subscribed! Peace all, Zenaan _______________________________________________ D-community-offtopic mailing list [email protected] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic
