Great,
I'm looking forward for your Dabo Class designer.
Greetings,
Zlatko
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:53:01 -0500
From: Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [dabo-users] RAD tool for DABO?
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On Nov 21, 2005, at 5:32 AM, Zlatko MatiÄ? wrote:
Have you forseen developing some RAD tool with drag and drop
controls in near future?
Is it possible to integrate DABO into BOA Constructor maybe?
I'm working on such a tool right now: the Dabo Class Designer.
It's still a few months away from being mature enough to use for real
development work, but it's coming along nicely. It's part of the Dabo
IDE files (Designer.py), but the last released version is so old that
it wouldn't make sense to play around with it, as so much has changed
since then. If you are using the Subversion repositories, you will
get a much better idea of what it can do.
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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:46:53 -0500
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I'm updating the Find functionality in Dabo to also include Find/
Replace. This is one thing where different applications do it
differently: some have a single dialog that works for simple finds as
well as find/replace, while other apps have separate menu items for
Find and for Replace.
I can set the default Dabo menu either way; I thought I'd get
some feedback from users first to see which option makes more sense.
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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:16:01 +0800
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I often find the separate menu option to be annoying.
Matthew.
Quoting Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I'm updating the Find functionality in Dabo to also include Find/
Replace. This is one thing where different applications do it
differently: some have a single dialog that works for simple finds as
well as find/replace, while other apps have separate menu items for
Find and for Replace.
I can set the default Dabo menu either way; I thought I'd get
some feedback from users first to see which option makes more sense.
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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:43:13 -0500
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One option for boths is prefered...
and the Designer??? :-) do you have a date for release?
El dom, 27-11-2005 a las 10:46 -0500, Ed Leafe escribió:
I'm updating the Find functionality in Dabo to also include Find/
Replace. This is one thing where different applications do it
differently: some have a single dialog that works for simple finds as
well as find/replace, while other apps have separate menu items for
Find and for Replace.
I can set the default Dabo menu either way; I thought I'd get
some feedback from users first to see which option makes more sense.
-- Ed Leafe
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:24:03 -0500
From: Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Nov 27, 2005, at 10:43 PM, Mario Lacunza wrote:
One option for boths is prefered...
Well, after an overwhelming response of two votes, I've decided
to go with the combined Find/Replace. You can still call the
standalone Find dialog if you wish, though.
and the Designer??? :-) do you have a date for release?
We should be releasing the 0.3 version in the next few days.
This features better handling of complex layouts, including paged
controls, and integration with the QuickLayoutWizard, which lets you
pick fields from your database and add them to your forms, with lots
of control of the appearance of these fields.
Next up will be the integration of code editing, so that you can
not only add a button to a form, but write method code that will run
when the button is clicked. Once that is up and working, I think the
Designer will be practical for creating useful forms. Until then,
it's still just a proof-of-concept.
If you're interested in helping with the Designer, you should
download the latest from the Subversion repositories, and start
playing around with it. There are a lot of rough edges in the way it
works, and getting feedback from people about improving the way it
works will be very important.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:00:16 -0500
From: Mario Lacunza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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comments in lines...
El lun, 28-11-2005 a las 10:24 -0500, Ed Leafe escribió:
> and the Designer??? :-) do you have a date for release?
We should be releasing the 0.3 version in the next few days.
This features better handling of complex layouts, including paged
controls, and integration with the QuickLayoutWizard, which lets you
pick fields from your database and add them to your forms, with lots
of control of the appearance of these fields.
OK thanks!
Next up will be the integration of code editing, so that you can
not only add a button to a form, but write method code that will run
when the button is clicked. Once that is up and working, I think the
Designer will be practical for creating useful forms. Until then,
it's still just a proof-of-concept.
If you're interested in helping with the Designer, you should
download the latest from the Subversion repositories, and start
playing around with it. There are a lot of rough edges in the way it
works, and getting feedback from people about improving the way it
works will be very important.
Right now Im working in a big project with Python+Firebird database.
So I need to know: Dabo is stable? because I need make: forms with
grids(editions options, boolean fields), combos conected to a field with
a key param not visible, not standards forms = form with a particular
design,if the user change a value in a grid(or combo,textbox,etc), the
form save the changes in auto(inside in "Save" event)??? etc. if
possible rigth now make this with Dabo?
My doubt: the code generated with the present version will be 100%
compatible for new versions? Maintaining?
If your answer is: YES... so, I migrate my entire code into
Dabo!!.Please I need your support in this case and send me instrutions
for download from SVN or CVS.
Thanks in advance!!
Mi configuracion/My config:
Ubuntu Breezy 5.10
Linux Kernel 2.6.12-10-386
Python 2.4.2
wxPython 2.6.1.1pre
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:44:32 -0500
From: Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Nov 29, 2005, at 9:00 PM, Mario Lacunza wrote:
Right now Im working in a big project with Python+Firebird database.
So I need to know: Dabo is stable? because I need make: forms with
grids(editions options, boolean fields), combos conected to a field
with
a key param not visible, not standards forms = form with a particular
design,if the user change a value in a grid(or combo,textbox,etc), the
form save the changes in auto(inside in "Save" event)??? etc. if
possible rigth now make this with Dabo?
Yes, Dabo is quite stable. And the features you describe are
certainly able to be done.
My doubt: the code generated with the present version will be 100%
compatible for new versions? Maintaining?
Right now, the only generated code is the Wizard-generated code.
The Designer cannot yet create usable forms; it's still in the proof-
of-concept stage, until I can add in code editing and linking.
I would *not* recommend that you go with the AppWizard to do the
sort of custom things that you want to do. It would make much more
sense to create your app by hand; it may take a little more time
initially, but it will a) give you much more flexibility and b) give
you a better understanding of how Dabo works, which will enable you
to create better apps.
If your answer is: YES... so, I migrate my entire code into
Dabo!!.Please I need your support in this case and send me instrutions
for download from SVN or CVS.
We don't use CVS; our repository in in Subversion. You can find
instructions for getting the latest and greatest from Subversion on
the Wiki: <http://dabodev.com/wiki/HowToInstall>
I would be more than willing to help you if you decide to go
with Dabo!
-- Ed Leafe
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:24:11 -0800
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Ed Leafe wrote:
I would *not* recommend that you go with the AppWizard to do the
sort of custom things that you want to do. It would make much more
sense to create your app by hand; it may take a little more time
initially, but it will a) give you much more flexibility and b) give
you a better understanding of how Dabo works, which will enable you to
create better apps.
Well... at least take a look at the AppWizard, and try it out. If it gets
you
close then you just saved a bunch of time. Even if it just gives you a
useful
skeleton, you are in better shape than starting completely from scratch. I
think
the key point that Ed is trying to make is: you are going to have to learn
the
code, and get comfortable with syntax and semantics to be effective. Use the
AppWizard as a tool, but you'll still have to look at, modify, and add to
the
generated code.
Regarding the "is Dabo stable" question, IMO it depends on your meaning of
stable. I consider "stability" in this context to mean "to what extent is
the
API set in stone?" Dabo is at 0.5, most of the core API is in place and
"stable", but things do change and nothing is really guaranteed to be
unchanging
yet. We do make changes semi-regularly that require at least a minimum of
rewriting in our client apps. For the most part, though, you can be
reasonably
sure that code you write in Dabo today will still work fine when 1.0 is
released.
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http://dabodev.com
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:45:54 -0500
From: Mario Lacunza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [dabo-users] Menu preferences
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Ed and Paul,
Thanks for your responses...
I need evaluate your comments, because right now I'm codding a big
Application and I need to know the impact of the migration into Dabo.
I expend the weekend for that work.
Thanks!!
El mié, 30-11-2005 a las 11:24 -0800, Paul McNett escribió:
Ed Leafe wrote:
> I would *not* recommend that you go with the AppWizard to do the
> sort of custom things that you want to do. It would make much more
> sense to create your app by hand; it may take a little more time
> initially, but it will a) give you much more flexibility and b) give
> you a better understanding of how Dabo works, which will enable you to
> create better apps.
Well... at least take a look at the AppWizard, and try it out. If it gets
you
close then you just saved a bunch of time. Even if it just gives you a
useful
skeleton, you are in better shape than starting completely from scratch. I
think
the key point that Ed is trying to make is: you are going to have to learn
the
code, and get comfortable with syntax and semantics to be effective. Use
the
AppWizard as a tool, but you'll still have to look at, modify, and add to
the
generated code.
Regarding the "is Dabo stable" question, IMO it depends on your meaning of
stable. I consider "stability" in this context to mean "to what extent is
the
API set in stone?" Dabo is at 0.5, most of the core API is in place and
"stable", but things do change and nothing is really guaranteed to be
unchanging
yet. We do make changes semi-regularly that require at least a minimum of
rewriting in our client apps. For the most part, though, you can be
reasonably
sure that code you write in Dabo today will still work fine when 1.0 is
released.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:56:33 -0500
From: Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Nov 30, 2005, at 2:24 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
Regarding the "is Dabo stable" question, IMO it depends on your
meaning of stable. I consider "stability" in this context to mean
"to what extent is the API set in stone?" Dabo is at 0.5, most of
the core API is in place and "stable", but things do change and
nothing is really guaranteed to be unchanging yet. We do make
changes semi-regularly that require at least a minimum of rewriting
in our client apps. For the most part, though, you can be
reasonably sure that code you write in Dabo today will still work
fine when 1.0 is released.
The other, and I think, more critical definition of stable is
"will it damage/corrupt my data?" The answer to that is no; well, at
least no more so than any other database product out on the market.
Nothing is 100% perfect, but I've been using Dabo for several months
now to manage several databases, and while I've had to update the app
because of API changes a couple of times, I've never lost any data.
-- Ed Leafe
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