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Berachos 003: Churvah
moshe lamm asks:
The Gemara says we need the reason of chsad when there are 2 prutzim.
isn't a parutz not
concerned about chsad? if we say like the mforshim who hold everyone
not muchzak as a kusher
is a paritz, then its understandable the beinoni person would want to
avoid chsad, but
according to those who say only actual prutzim are considered
parutzim, why would they care?
moshe lamm, brooklyn usa
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The Kollel replies:
1. The Nafka Minah would be if one of the men was Kosher and the
other was Parutz. The Kosher man would not be allowed to accompany
the Parutz into the ruins. This would apply even if there were
several Perutzim with him.
2. There is another possible scenario. Even though the Parutz is not
concerned about the laws of Yichud, he may be aware that there is a
Halachah that one should not enter ruins, and he may be afraid of the
Mazikim and not aware of the fact that if two eople enter together
there is no danger of Mazikim. Therefore, two Perutzim might come to
ask the Rav whether it is safe to enter the Churvah. In such a case,
even though the Rav knows that the Churvah is strong and there is no
worry that it may collapse, he still will answer that they may not
enter because of Chashad (although he would not reveal to them that
this is the reason for his answer). In contrast, if two Kesherim
would ask the Rav the same question, he would answer that they may
enter the Churvah.
3. Bs'D, I found in Sefer Or ha'Chamah on Maseches Berachos (by Rav
Zundel Kroizer shlit'a) the first answer I gave above, that if one is
Parutz and the other is Kosher, then the Parutz will not guard the
Kosher man from an Aveirah and the Kosher man is therefore considered
as being only one man present and he may not enter the ruins.
The Or ha'Chamah also makes the point made in the question: if the
two people are not totally Parutz, but merely people who do not trust
themselves to be careful enough in these situations, then these sort
of people might well ask whether they are allowed to enter the
Churvah, and the answer they will be given is that they are not allowed.
4. I also saw in Sefer Divrei Sofrim on Hilchos Yichud (by Rav Nachum
Yavrov; see Emek Davar #322) that after citing a few Poskim who
maintain that one Parutz and one Kosher are allowed to be alone with
one woman, he adds that this Heter applies only to cases where the
Parutz is not entirely Parutz but is merely not a totally reliable
person. The Divrei Sofrim adds that if one of them was totally
Parutz, it is possible that they may not be isolated with one woman.
This opinion now finds proof from our Gemara: if one of them is a
Parutz, he does not help to guard his Kosher accompaniment.
Kol Tuv,
Dovid Bloom
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