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Re: Gitin 004: The distance from Kfar Ludim to Lod
chein asks:
>>Why is it important for us to know the distance between these two cities?
so much so that the Gemara stops mid sentence of explaining the Machlokes
of the Mishna to give us a feeling of this distance? what clarity in the
Mishna is gained by this knowledge? besides what is the practical
application of this (meaning in modern times)?
Thank you.<<
The Kollel replied:
>>Your question is indeed asked by the Tiferes Yaakov. He answers that this
must mean something other than distance. Rather, it means that just as Bei
Kubi was a city that was partially within the Techum of Pumbedisa, and one
could enter the Techum of Pumbedisa by entering into part of Bei Kubi, so
too Kefar Ludim was partially within the Techum of Eretz Yisrael, and one
could enter into the Techum of Eretz Yisrael from within Kefar Ludim. This
helps us understand the Mishnah, as it is explaining how Kefar Ludim is
“Muvla” into Lud and Eretz Yisrael. (It must be noted, however, that most
commentaries do seem to understand it is referring to distance.)<<
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Chaim asks:
BH
I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question, however, I think
that there is something missing in this answer, at least from the point of
explaining Rashi- Pshat of the Gemara (even though it might not have been
clear from my question that that is what i was looking for)
I am not sure what you mean by the word Techum, do you mean Techum Shabbos
or boundaries (please clarify)
Rashi clearly explains and in great length the meaning of the word ?
"Muvlaos" (which Kfar Ludim falls into this category) and Rashi does not
make any mention of Techum Shabbos rather in the literal sense of
boundaries, meaning that Rashi explains "Muvlaos" as a geographical
placement of the city not its distance/closeness and it is outside the
boundaries of EY however "swallowed" within the protruding parts of the
boundaries.
Rashi uses the word "Rachok" in regards to Bey Kubi from Pumpedisa, which
indicates that Rashi understood Rabba as trying to give us a measurement of
distance and not whether it is in the Techum or not!
However, I saw the Tos Harosh, who asks a question on Rashi and then adds
"V'yesh L'yashev..." explaining how to understand Rashi without taking away
from what Rashi said; Muvlaos has to be "more" EY then Smuchos (and that is
the reason that R' Gamliel says that the Shliach does not need to say
B'fonay N'ichtav.. from a city that is Muvlaos) therefore says the Rosh,
even though Rashi only mentions the aspect of 'within the protruding parts
of the boundaries' Rashi does not mean to negate the need for it being
close to EY (just like by Smuchos) and with this he explains the needÂ
(according to Rashi) for Rabbah to give his account of the distance between
Bey Kubi and Pumpedisa, to tell us that it needs to have two conditions to
fall into the category of Muvlaos 1. withing the protruding part of the
boundaries 2. close to EY (like Bey Kubey being near Pumpedisa (which would
mean that for Rabba students they could now identify in real life the
closeness the Muvla city needs, to be considered Muvla))
Chayim
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The Kollel replies:
As you correctly understood, I was not trying to explain Rashi, as you did
not ask me to explain Rashi. I merely quoted an Acharon who answers your
question in a different manner, and indeed is not saying Rashi's
explanation, because he does not understand how Muvla'os can refer to a
measure of distance. However, he did address your question, which is why I
quoted him in the answer. Thanks for quoting the Tosfos ha'Rosh.
All the best,
Yaakov Montrose
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