Op een mooie herfstdag (Friday 01 December 2006 08:40),schreef  Gabor Szabo:
> Hi Abe,

Hi Gabor,

> On 12/1/06, Abe Timmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Op een mooie herfstdag (Thursday 30 November 2006 18:46),schreef  Gabor 
Szabo:
> > > Hi,
> >
> > Hi Gabor,

[snip]

> I cross post it back to p5p I think we should drop the daily-build list
> from this discussion. Actually maybe it should be dropped from the
> perlhack.pod as well.  http://www.test-smoke.org/ should be mentioned in
> that pod.

Well, the daily-build list could be "merged" with perl-qa; but I can imagine 
most porters do not want all of this detail discussed on p5p.

I'm not the judge of that.

[more snip]

> Thanks for the other data collectors you provide.
>
> A few comments and questions:
>
> http://www.test-smoke.org/perlcover/ seem to show an old and actually
> failed build. (gcov run for 29204 while the latest seem to be 29427) Well,
> that if I understand what I see there. Is this on purpose? Could it be
> updated?

It's running (@29431), but apeared to be hanging, I'll monitor more closely, 
and update asap.

> BTW is the test coverage of perl really only 71.7% ?
>
>
> The HTML and CSS seem to be, well, not the niceset
> (but who am I to talk about such issues :-)

There's no accounting for taste ;-)

> and it is jumping (e.g. on http://www.test-smoke.org/ when the mouse is
> over 'my perl stuff' using Firefox. (and it is not valid XHTML any more)

Hmmm..., I can only see a problem with the smoquel page..

> (C)opyright on the top is out of date.

fixed, thanks!

> Smokefarm: Nice pictures. I wonder are all these machines in one place?
> Who owns them, who maintains them.

Those pictures are all of my own machines, and most of them run perl-smokes.

>                                     I though many of the smoke reports come
> in from volunteers on this list (and maybe outside of it) who run perl
> smoke testing
> on their own machine. A description of the situation would be nice.

Most of the smoke reports come from other -very nice- people, that donate 
there cycles to perl smoke testing.

> Also how do you collect the status information
> http://www.test-smoke.org/status.shtml about the smoke servers ?

It's a little script that goes out to the smoke-host and calls the 
smokestatus.pl script and collects the output.

        http://www.test-smoke.org/svn/SmokeStatus/

> > Please let me know what you want to show, and I'll try to help you, but I
> > hope the above links help you.
>
> I am preparing a presentation to a bunch of QA managers.
> I would like to show them several large open source projects and what
> and how do they do to improve quality. There are a number of nice
> systems out there with
> automatic builds and test runners with systems collecting the test results.
>
> I would like to show them the 'business value' in these systems and
> how do they work. That is the quick feedback cycle. The easy way to
> pinpoint locations of issues.
> (e.g. how do I find out at which point did the build break on a
> certain platform ?)
>
> BTW it might be useful to show the latest patch level.
> I am not sure about others I would like to see a table of platforms with
> one line for the latest test report on that platform with red/green colors
> on success failure.

That is what http://gromit.test-smoke.org/cgi/tsdb?mode=listlast does, doesn't 
it?

> I started to work on something similar for the CPAN Testers:
> http://www.szabgab.com/cpantested/
> http://www.szabgab.com/cpantested/dist/Test-Smoke.html
> I hope we can fold it in the main cpantesters.perl.org site.
>
> Something like this (just nicer :-) would - I guess - be useful for P5P
> too.
>
> Look at what PostgreSQL have:
> http://www.pgbuildfarm.org/cgi-bin/show_status.pl
>
> or the Tinderbox of Mozilla:
> http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi?tree=Firefox
>
> actually both written in Perl.
>
> regards
>     Gabor
> ps. Just to make it clear, I am not trying to push anyone to do any of
> these things,
> (nor can I currently volunteer to do it myself) I am just sharing my
> thoughts.

Good luck,

Abe
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I don't like telling them.
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