On Mon, 4 Feb 2013, Marc Lampo wrote:

This shift (in who provides identity) from "only trusted CA" to "only
via DNS info"

There _is_ no shift. Whoever controls the DNS can do either things:

- Create MX to receive email for the domain, and get a valid CA signed
  cert.
- Create their own self signed cert, and put in a TLSA record.

"Only trusted CA" is a lie. If I control your DNS, I can get a "trusted
CA" certificate too.

 it is possible to obtain genuine certificates from not so good CA's,
but a complete shift to DNS only is no improvement.

This has nothing to do with "not so good CAs". If I control you DNS, I
can get any "good CA" to issue a cert for me.

And again, this _is_ different for EV certs but they are rare,
expensive and per definition won't scale.

Paul
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