On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 09:16:28PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote:

> >Given https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7435 I don't see where there's ambiguity
> >about what opportunistic is.
> 
> In Viktor's wording of "not already committed to using TLS" being equal
> to opportunistic.

Sorry, "not initially/a-priori committed to using TLS".

> During the opportunistic (security) process you can become committed,
> so the phrasing of committed versus opportunistic is a little
> confusing/misleading, because opportunistic implies "can result in
> plaintext".
> 
> In my view, using opportunistic can result in a commitment (hard fail) to TLS.

100% agreement.

> That's why I thought Viktor's choice of words were confusing.

Sorry about that.

-- 
        Viktor.

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