On Wed, 2018-04-04 at 09:27 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Timur Irikovich Davletshin <[email protected]> [04-04-18
> 08:46]:
> > On Wed, 2018-04-04 at 08:21 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > * Timur Irikovich Davletshin <[email protected]> [04-04-
> > > 18
> > > 08:01]:
> > > > On Wed, 2018-04-04 at 13:36 +0200, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote:
> > > > > Am Mittwoch, 4. April 2018, 13:15:39 CEST schrieb Timur
> > > > > Irikovich
> > > > > Davletshin:
> > > > > > Hello everybody!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Just decided to play with DNG converter and discovered
> > > > > > problem
> > > > > > related
> > > > > > to lens data interpretation by DT (2.4.2).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 1. NEF file loaded by DT applies correct lens parameters.
> > > > > >     Lens info shown by DT: Nikon AF-S DX Nikkor 18-55mm
> > > > > > f/3.5-5.6G
> > > > > > VR II
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 2. DNG file cannot apply it because wrong EXIF information
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > used
> > > > > > (short lens name vs. full).
> > > > > >     Lens info shown by DT: 18.0-55.0 mm f/3.5-5.6
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 3. Focus information also is lost in DNG.
> > > > > 
> > > > > That's why we tell everyone to never convert to DNG.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Tobias
> > > > > 
> > > > > [...]
> > > > 
> > > > I believe problem is Nikon/DT related not DNG. Canon files I
> > > > tried
> > > > work
> > > > as expected. Another example Nikon D1X files converted to DNG
> > > > are
> > > > useless because there is no way turn pixel scale module on
> > > > manually.
> > > 
> > > simple, don't convert native files to dng.  the dng format is not
> > > provided
> > > by Nikon and cannot know the proprietary secrets that Nikon uses
> > > to
> > > generate its raw files.  dng is *not* a standard.  dng makes
> > > changes
> > > the
> > > the original (raw).  why convert your raw twice?
> > > 
> > 
> > DNG made from Canon, Olympus works, Nikon's doesn't... meanwhile
> > EXIF
> > data is there. Looks like it's not a problem of DNG itself.
> > 
> > Whether we like it or not but DNG files (native or converted) are
> > quite
> > common. Especially when DT documentation declares some sort of DNG
> > support in very first line of https://www.darktable.org/resources/c
> > amer
> > a-support/
> 
> do you not really read what you cite?
>   <quote>
>   Cameras that produce DNG files should be supported even if they are
> not
>   on the list but samples are still appreciated.
>   </quote>
> says nothing about supporting dng which is not native out-of-the-
> camera.
>   

This is why I wrote 'native or converted' in my previous letter. Dear
Patrick, I'm not here for the purpose of your religious war against DNG
which is *not* standard. I think this is just an obvious bug which can
be easily fixed.

Regards,

Timur.
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