Aurélien, you seem to have put your finger on the issues. Very well observed, it would be good to think that users feedback was considered.
Sent from Workspace ONE Boxer On 20 Apr 2019 11:41, Aurélien Pierre <rese...@aurelienpierre.com> wrote: Hi, I second that. I tend to avoid every distraction while working and prefer non-real time communication channels, especially when I'm not on a GMT±1 timezone (most dt's devs are EU-based, so IRC disadvantages Americas, Asia, Australia, NZ, etc.). Also, some skilled devs are not fluent enough in English to sustain a real-time conversion in it. I also think users should get more involved in the decision loop. darktable project has a long history of disregarding user's requests and finding excuses to do so (just read Redmine issues). The thing is no current dev is a full-time retoucher or photographer, and these people can teach you good stuff about color, state-of-the-art image processing, and sometimes even how to use your own software. Their feedback should be valued, not ignored. None of us knows better than a full-time photographer what an efficient high-end photographer needs to produce good work. The decisions taken should not be solely justified by technical IT reasons. darktable will be good enough the day it will be used by fashion photographers. Now, it's only hobbyists and low-budget pros. For this reason, I think Github is a nice crossroad between devs, code, users, bugs, PRs, and wiki. I don't find it more overwhelming than Redmine issues. I quite like the "social coding" way of Github too (giving feedback directly on the code). Gitlab is becoming quite good too for a self-hosted equivalent (without Microsoft involved). The second best would be this mailing list. Regards, Aurélien. Le 17/04/2019 à 09:19, Heiko Bauke a écrit : Hi, Am 16.04.19 um 19:51 schrieb rawfiner: Currently, the place where big changes should be discussed is IRC (according to houz, as I have not seen this information anywhere, which is problematic as new contributors may make big changes, so they have at least to be able to know where is the place to discuss things). I think IRC is not convenient at all. I would like to discuss why I think making these discussion on IRC is bad, and what alternatives we have. rawfiner draws our attention to some very important issue here. Discussing darktable on very different channels is inefficient. We should consolidate discussions about darktable development to a single channel. I completely agree with the pros and cons mentioned by rafiner. I do not use IRC for the reasons mentioned by rawfiner. I do use, however, github, as it is the most convenient platform for me. I would invest even more time to participate in discussions on github if this would be the commonly accepted platform for discussions on darktable development. Nevertheless, I am also aware of the potential drawbacks of relaying too heavily on the github platform. Possibly, we should redirect people to https://redmine.darktable.org/ Heiko ___________________________________________________________________________ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org ___________________________________________________________________________ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.or
