In message <[email protected]> on Thu, 1 Jan 2015 10:43:54 
-0500, Patrick Shanahan <[email protected]> said:

paka> * Richard Levitte <[email protected]> [01-01-15 10:22]:
paka>  [...]
paka> > I've a few screenshots to demonstrate, all in
paka> > http://richard.levitte.org/~levitte/for-darktable/
paka> > 
paka> > dt-en1.png - shows lighttable, which has a fairly nice format, but I'm
paka> >         noticing that the panels have no scroll bars, and I noticed
paka> >         that they aren't reacting to the mouse wheel unless I click in
paka> >         the area of the panel or where its scroll bar is supposed to
paka> >         be.
paka> 
paka> Looking at your png, the scroll-bars are there but the contrast black to
paka> grey is somewhat low and disguises them.  I observed the same on the gtk2
paka> display and altered the contrast to make them more visible.  But they are
paka> quite small/slim and difficult to use.

I hope you're not talking about the "scroll bar" that shows which part
of the main (middle) panel / light table is currently shown.

Low contrast, you say?  I just see the exact same grey the whole way.
With gtk2, the scroll bar has at least a visible black outline, AND it
does become lighter when I hover the mouse pointer over it.  Not so
with gtk3...

paka> >         Also, it disturbs me a little that the area where there are
paka> >         supposed to be styles to choose from is the same grey as the
paka> >         surrounding area.  In pre-gkt3, that area is a different grey,
paka> >         making it more obvious that there could be something to choose
paka> >         from in there.
paka> 
paka> On gtk2 the styles/favorites icons are only available in darkroom view,
paka> not lighttable.

What?  Look again, there's a module "styles" in the right panel in dt-en1.png.
With gtk2, the area where the available styles are presented (as lines
of text, no icons) is a slightly darker grey.  Not so with gtk3, which
makes it easy to think that area is just part of the framing of that
module, since they are the same grey.

paka> > dt-en2.png - shows darkroom, and the obvious thing is that the right
paka> >         panel hasn't been made to fit the modules.  I assume that it's
paka> >         because of the loooong "contrast brightness saturation"
paka> >         title.  And while I can live with that, it does pose some
paka> >         functional problems, as demonstrated by:
paka> 
paka> I do not have the gtk3 version but in the gtk2 the width of the panel is
paka> configurable and changing panel_width=XXX in
paka> ~/.config/darktable/darktablerc has effect.  Mine is set to 310 (300 is
paka> default) but only to use all available space do display the photo in
paka> darkroom view with the left panel hidden.

It's configurable with gtk3 as well.  However, with gtk2, the titles
are cut off so they will fit that size.  With gtk3, it seems like the
panel width is seen as a min size, and as observed below, it seems
like the calculated panel size from the lighttable view is used for
the panel size of the darkroom view...

paka> > dt-en3.png - shows darkroom with the levels module expanded.  As you
paka> >         can see, it is a bit difficult to use properly for the white
paka> >         end.
paka> 
paka> Collapsing/hiding the left panel may provide space to show all ???

Nope, it just takes away the left panel and provides more space for
the middle one.  The right panel doesn't change.

paka> > Now, over to swedish:
paka> > 
paka> > dt-sv1.png - this is lighttable, and gods! is the right panel huge!  I
paka> >         assume, however, that this is due to the fairly long
paka> >         translation of "write sidecar files".  So all right, fine, I
paka> >         might figure out a way to deal with that by shortening the
paka> >         translation, but...
paka> > 
paka> > dt-sv2.png - this is darkroom, and this right panel is absurd, there's
paka> >         nothing that really explains why...  there's even extra room
paka> >         with the longest title (the translation of "contrast
paka> >         brightness saturation").
paka> > 
paka> >         This, as well as the too small right panel in dt-en[23].png,
paka> >         indicates that there's a co-dependency between different views
paka> >         as far as panel sizes go.  I normally start with the
paka> >         lighttable view, and it seems that the size of the right panel
paka> >         there affects the right panel size in the darkroom view.  Is
paka> >         that intended?
paka> > 
paka> > 
paka> > If this has any impact, I use ctwm for window management, not one of
paka> > the newer desktop systems.
paka> 
paka> My observations are for kde4.

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