Here's the xmp file from my edit
On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 3:06 PM William Ferguson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 1:55 PM David Vincent-Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> My approach: If the exposure is 'within reason', start by applying one >> of the presets; this will establish a curve based on the dynamic range of >> the data. Then you can start to play with the finer points. I agree that >> from the ground up filmic can be a tough nut to crack. Below the surface >> filmic knows more about dynamic range than we know so relying on the >> presets for the initial setting is important (IMO) >> >> David >> On 2019-06-06 9:45 a.m., [email protected] wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> I'm trying to use filmic instead of base curve, but I have to say: >> It's not easy — which is not surprising, because I have never modified >> the base curve before, so the slightest need for adjustments increases >> the workload by an infinite factor, so no complaint here. >> >> So I'm going through a couple of images, disabling base curve and >> tone curve, and try to get a pleasing result, not too far off my >> original edit, with filmic. Of course, I'm not expecting exactly >> identical results, because if filmic is better or more correct by >> whatever standard, it should be different. >> >> It sometimes works, but I tend to fail miserably. >> >> Here's an example: Version 0 is with base curve and tone curve, >> version 1 is derived from that, replacing both curves with filmic: >> >> filmic is an alternative to base curve, so it gets the image to a place > that the artistic edits can be applied. In other words, it only replaces > base curve. > >> https://depot.s5k6.net/10n30MkVQWgAMWKO/ >> >> To me, the terracotta flowerpot seems too red, the rusted steel on the >> wooden barrel looks wrong, the wood seems to loose structure, and the >> whole impression is not that sunny as it was on that day. >> >> > Adjust the middle gray luminance until the terracotta is the color you > remember. > >> This is not my first or only try with filmic on this picture. >> Generally I fail to get the sunny impression, the rust and the wood >> structure without oversaturating the terracotta. I don't even get it >> in the right ballpark. >> >> Any hints for a general approach? Or where I've messed up in this >> particular pic? >> >> I turn everything off, then adjust the exposure so that there is space > between the histogram and the sides of the histogram window. I start > filmic and adjust the middle gray until the histogram is centered or my > subject is exposed correctly. Then I adjust the white and black to expand > the histogram back to the edges. I then adjust the contrast, latitude, and > shadow/highlight balance until I get the best look I can. If the image is > really washed out, then I turn on the chrominance preservation and mess > with the saturation sliders. > > At this point I can start doing edits with tone curve, color balance, > etc.... > >> >> Just as a note, sometimes I don't end up with a curve in the filmic curve > window. One other note, sometimes base curve works better than filmic for > certain images. I was shooting sports (basketball in a gym) and tried > processing with filmic, but couldn't get a good looking image, IMO, until I > went back to basecurve. When I shoot portraits, filmic usually is better > than basecurve, but sometimes I've had to use basecurve, and other times > I've used neither. > >> I've read the doc [1], and I have the subtle feeling that I'm missing >> something: I don't know how to transfer the technical stuff to an >> artistic problem. And I've seen some videos, but I'm sorry to say >> that I find them of little use. >> >> Cheers >> Stefan >> >> ____________________ >> [1] https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/tone_group.html#filmic >> >> >> Bill > >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >> [email protected] >> > ____________________________________________________________________________ darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to [email protected]
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