On 2012-12-31 14:37, Pascal de Bruijn wrote:
>>> Does this mean that if I were to create my own input profile based on a
>>> test chart and with the correct settings, I would be able to get (more
>>> or less) natural looking images without a base curve?
> Yes, because a proper (ICC) camera input profile has an XYZ matrix and
> curves internally. So it's basically the same thing, just applied in a
> single step. So you need to disable the basecurve because otherwise
> you'd have two sets of curves being applied on top of each other.
Yes, this is exactly what I suspected. So if I were to create my own 
input profile and shoot with a gray card, I should be able to get the 
most faithful rendering that is possible (whether this faithful 
rendering looks good is another matter).
>
> As written earlier, Darktable uses the Adobe DNG D65 XYZ matrices (via
> dcraw). These do not come with curves. Other raw converters supplement
> this (visible or not) with an arbitrarily deformed 2.2 gamma curve. We
> just took it a step further to provide vendor tuned curves out of the
> box which are user visible and controllable. We are very transparent
> in that way.
Yes, I can see how this approach gives the user more flexibility, which 
is great! I just needed to understand why my images did not look as 
expected, and now that I know, I am very happy with the way darktable works.
>
> So to get a so-called neutral color rendition, anything but a custom
> color profile is mostly just an arbitrary choice.
>
> Now here are some notes on how to do a custom profile for darktable:
Thank you very much, this is much appreciated. I am a bit sorry for the 
effort you put into writing this, as I already watched your excellent 
screencast about creating custom input profiles. I don't think a 
separate blog post is needed, the screencast is really great!

Again, thank you for your work and your help, it is greatly appreciated. 
And have a great new year :)

Regards,
Eckhart Pedersen

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