Hi Dan:
Here is another test shot (.NEF, Nikon D800):
RAW (.NEF): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2171814/_F1C6327.NEF
XMP: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2171814/_F1C6327.NEF.xmp
Best, Francisco
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Dan Torop <d...@pnym.net> wrote:
> Hi Francisco
>
> I think the darks have to be very dark in the image to see artifacts -- if
> they even happen. When you choose the eyedropper from tone curve and click
> in the image, the L levels in the darkest (and artifact-ed) bits of the
> X-Trans image have L values of 1 or 2 (and are changed to about 11 or 12 by
> the curve). In the Nikon image they're not that dark (generally about 15, a
> few are as dark as 5, which gets scaled up to approx. 12), so there's not
> as disproportionate an amplification of the chroma. It would be interesting
> to see an image with bright reds in deep shadow.
>
> I'm talking through my hat here, but it's also possible that the input
> profile for the Nikon image does a better job keeping the chroma values in
> check? Or there could just be a difference in how the sensors record darker
> colors?
>
> Best,
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015, at 09:56 AM, Francisco Cribari wrote:
>
> Hi Dan:
>
> Here is a photo I've just made (for testing purposes) of my wife wearing a
> red shirt (.NEF, Nikon D800).
>
> RAW (.NEF) file: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2171814/_F1C6322.NEF
>
> XMP file: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2171814/_F1C6322.NEF.xmp
>
> Best, Francisco
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Dan Torop <d...@pnym.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Francisco,
>
> Do you have an example NEF file? One with shadows with saturated colors
> would make this most visible. The Nikon sensor could also be less noisy in
> the shadows.
>
> I'm not sure if these artifacts are just a cost of automatic chroma
> scaling, or should be considered a bug for a corner case.
>
> Best,
> Dan
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015, at 06:03 AM, Francisco Cribari wrote:
>
> Hi Dan:
>
> Thank you for your message. I have been noticing color artifacts when
> raising the lower point of the tone curve when editing X-Trans RAW images
> but not when editing standard Bayer RAW images (e.g., Nikon D800 .NEF). Is
> there anything specific to X-Trans RAW images here?
>
> Thanks again. Best, Francisco
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:56 AM, Dan Torop <d...@pnym.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Francisco,
>
> This is interesting... The trouble seems to come via the tone curve
> module's automatic scale chroma setting. (The noise doesn't seem to depend
> upon the demosaicing algorithm -- it's there with VNG or Markesteijn.)
>
> When "scale chroma" is set, each pixel processed has its saturation ("a"
> and "b") adjusted proportionally to how its luminance ("L") is changed.
> That is, if the luminance for that pixel is increased by 5%, its saturation
> is increased by 5%. For the tone curve you drew, which pushes up the black
> point, this breaks down. The very dim pixels in this curve have their
> luminance increased by approx. 10x, and hence "scale chroma" then
> correspondingly saturates them by about 10x. As the shirt is so red, this
> makes the saturation for the shirt especially garish in its darker areas
> (indeed, the "a" value becomes greater than 100). Furthermore, the
> saturation changes are jumpy because slight luminance changes in the
> shadows produce radically amplified saturation changes -- and this makes
> visible the noise inherent to the shadows. All this adds up to the horrible
> artifacts which you are seeing.
>
> There probably would be a way to rewrite the tone curve's "scale chroma"
> to handle this case, but it wouldn't be backwards compatible, so doubtful
> dt devs would go for it? (There already seems to be some code there to
> better handle very low luminance values.)
>
> What if instead you use "scale chroma" set to "manual"? There's no
> artifacts then, and the results appear pleasing. Alternately, in the
> tutorial you link to, it looks as though the tone curve change is happening
> in RGB colorspace, not Lab. You could simulate this in dt via enabling the
> color balance module and increasing the "factor" for its"lift" parameter.
> Or even by lowering the "black" in the exposure module?
>
> Best,
> Dan
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2015, at 06:22 PM, Francisco Cribari wrote:
>
> My second camera is a Fuji X100S, which has an X-Trans sensor. I am
> getting color artifacts in several images when I raise the lower end of the
> tone curve. The problem does NOT happen with my Nikon D800 RAW images, only
> with X-Trans RAW images. I would also like to point out that it is common
> to raise the lower end of tone curve and to lower its upper end. This is
> done to give the image a "vintage/classic" look. See, e.g.,
>
> https://photographylife.com/that-classic-vintage-look
>
> For some reason, that tends to cause color artifacts in X-Trans RAW images
> processed using Darktable.
>
> Here is an example:
>
> RAW (.RAF) file: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2171814/_FFX7093.RAF
>
> XMP file: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2171814/_FFX7093_01.RAF.xmp
>
> Zoom in the image and take a look at the man's shirt (near his right arm).
> (I have already reported another case in this mailing mailing list.)
>
> I run DT version 1.6.1+30~g6b508d0 on an Ubuntu notebook. Any suggestions?
> Thank you. Francisco
>
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