Dash and Common Build'ers
In light of the upcoming Build Workshop in Ottawa next week, I'd like to
put forth a concern and some ideas.
Nick has named the Build Workshop series after the American Die Hard
movies <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Hard>. In the movies, John
McClane <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McClane> (actor Bruce Willis)
is one of those people who talk-less-act-more, kicking butt in the
process. As the ultimate goal here is to provide a Common Build
Infrastructure for Eclipse.org projects, and this workshop is entitled
"*Build Hard With A Purpose*", I think it's really important to use this
valuable face-time to do two things:
*
a) **pick a solution, then stick with it.* I like options and ideas
too, and at some point we need to pick one.
-> Showing up at the workshop to discuss ideas like 'why don't we use X
and Y?' provides us with great options, but little more.
-> Showing up *with a working demo* of X and Y actually *building an
Eclipse Project* (any one!) is John McClane-style, and truly what we
need here.
-----> Following up with 'here is how we add other Eclipse projects'
earns you instant rock-star fame and glory
*b) divide, delegate and conquer*. Watching you code is truly amazing;
actually coding *with* you is the stuff blog posts are made of.
-> So far, the closest thing we have to a Common Builder is the
un-modeling of Nick's excellent build system. Whether we decide to
continue down this route or adopt a different technology, I think it's
important for the visionary (yes, that could be you) to *teach us how
his builder works*, and to *split the implementation tasks* into small
chunks so we can all help getting it working on the build server.
In other words, we really appreciate all the ideas, but please come
prepared to *show them in action*, and be prepared to *delegate tasks to
implement the solution* on our servers.
On a related note, Adrian Skehill recently begun setting up Hudson on
the Build Server - http://build.eclipse.org/hudson . Adrian claims it
could be used by many projects, and that sounds like a working demo to
me. I'll ask Adrian if he can come to the Build Workshop.
I look forward to working with you all,
Denis
Nick Boldt wrote:
(sent from wrong email address -- resending...)
Build Workshop 3: Build Hard With A Purpose [1] is fast approaching!
In order to create the sense of purpose alluded to in this workshop's
title, we need to settle on a schedule.
Earlier, it was suggested that Oct 22 would be a p2 hackathon day, but
rumours abound that when Pascal started asking people to drop by for a
p2-palooza -- to code, not just to talk -- everyone was suddenly busy.
So, instead of it being a fully hands-on day, perhaps we could use the
time to demo some of the new ideas in Eclipse 3.5's version of p2, to
discuss usability concerns, or to flesh out requirements?
Failing that, here's what I propose as a schedule for the time we've alotted.
Oct 22 12pm BW3 begins. Discuss requirements, ideas, plans,
limitations, etc. over lunch.
Oct 22 1 or 1:30pm. Coding begins in earnest.
Oct 22 6 or 7pm. Break for food; perhaps escape to a pub for some
lively build, provisioning, PDE, Eclipse, ... discussion & drinks?
Oct 23 9am. Coding resumes. Evening to be similar to previous, unless
a better idea is suggested. Perhaps the locals know of something
entertaining we can do?
Oct 24 9am. Coding resumes, final day. Day ends around lunch, or 6pm*.
* Because Oct 24-25 is Ontario Linux Fest in Toronto [2], the coding
may be cut short for the day at noon so that people can get back to TO
for the welcome party that night. Otherwise, the last train to Toronto
departs Fallowfield station at 6:30pm.
If you haven't already signed up on the wiki [1] but would like to
attend, please do so ASAP. If you have specific things you'd like to
discuss and/or develop, let us know in the Goals or Agenda sections of
the wiki [1].
Cheers,
Nick Boldt
http://divbyzero.com
[1] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Build_Workshop_3:_Build_Hard_With_A_Purpose
[2] http://onlinux.ca
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