Dear Eric:

Here is my understanding:

1. The census does not create any category, be it tehsil, block or mandal. These are statutory or administrative categories created under various state laws and programmes at various points in time. Note that "Block" is same as "Community Development Block or CD Block". Taluk and tehsil are synymous, and come from the revenue side. Block comes from the rural development department. Mandal comes from panchayati raj (decentralised governance).

2. Note also that different states have different decisions about how blocks are demarcated. At one end, Karnataka says CD blocks are same as tehsils/taluks. Some states have 1-2 blocks per tehsil. Some states found tehsils too big and have lots of blocks per tehsil. But as far as I know, blocks are strict subsets, and don't straddle tehsil boundaries.

3. Census only has to decide at what level to provide data to the user for a given state. E.g. ,in a district census handbook, whether to have chapters organized by tehsil or by block. So the table you refer to only tells us what choices they made in different states. It does not mean (e.g.,) that there are no tehsils in Jharkhand. Just that Census did not use that level. But yes, since Census says that MP data are reported at Tahsil level, I would think that the GADM boundaries for MP will match the tehsil boundaries and hence the census data. But the GADAM data may be outdated: tehsils have also sometimes been added (districts being split is more common).

Hope this helps.
Sharad

On 07-Aug-14 8:15 PM, Eric Dodge wrote:
This is very interesting Sharad.

I've been looking for maps of what I've been calling administrative blocks, that is, the units overseen by block development officers. MGNREGA data is aggregated at this level and I've been hoping to use the data to do some mapping exercises.

The census sub-districts are called differently across states (tahsil, taluk, mandal, etc). You can see the list here:

http://censusindia.gov.in/Tables_Published/Admin_Units/Admin_links/subdistrict_nomeclature.html

I know that in all the states where census sub-districts are called taluk, mandal, or CD block (with the exception of TN), the census sub-district is identical to the administrative block.

I've already completed a mapping exercise for Bihar using the census sub-district map and the data matched up pretty well. If the IND_adm3 data is indeed the administrative blocks then I could do a similar exercise with Madhya Pradesh. I'll take a look to see if the data lines up correctly.

Has anybody dug into this issue any deeper? I've heard that tehsil comes from the revenue side whereas taluk, mandal, etc comes from the administrative side but that doesn't explain why the census uses different sub-district units across states.

Best,
Eric


On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Sharad Lele <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    If I am right, then Justin may want to rename his layer as
    CDBlocks_2001...

    Sharad


    On Thursday, August 7, 2014 4:28:17 PM UTC+5:30, Sharad Lele wrote:

        I think I have the explanation for why I am seeing a good
        match and you are not:

        The problem lies in defining what is the 'sub-district' unit
        (in IND_adm3). Administratively speaking, it is tehsil, below
        which lies CD block. Unfortunately, census gives information
        by CD block. So there are more 'sub-district' units in Census
        than tehsils in the country. GDAM seems to have followed the
        tehsil concept.

        To check: Karnataka is one state in which tehsil and CD block
        are one and the same. That is why the sub-district layer
        IND_adm3 matches perfectly for Karnataka, but not for other
        states. There might be some other states where this holds
        good, I don't know.

        Anyway, so if one really wants CD block level boundaries, we
        have to look at Justin, I guess.

        But the GDAM boundaries are not 'wrong'.

        Sharad

        On 07-Aug-14 9:48 AM, Devdatta Tengshe wrote:
        In Continuation of my previous email, here is a CSV file
        which shows just how bad the GDAM dataset is.

        Regards,
        Devdatta


        On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Devdatta Tengshe
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Hi Sharad,

            I just download the GDAM data again, to confirm what you
            have said.

            I'm going to have to disagree with you about the quality
            of the IND_adm3 data.


            Acoording to the 2001 Census, there are 5454 Sub
            Districts in India
            <http://www.socialjustice.nic.in/pdf/tab11.pdf>. The GDAM
            dataset has just 2299 features.

            So clearly these taluk features do not correspond to the
            2001 Census. I cross checked for some areas I have ground
            knowledge of, and I can say that this dataset is not from
            any specific era. Some tehsils in the file were created
            post 2001, while others created in the 90's were not present.

            In my opinion the GDAM data is pretty much unusable.


            Regards,
            Devdatta


            On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Sharad Lele
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                I have downloaded and checked the GADM boundaries (my
                version is 2011). The taluka boundary layer probably
                holds good today, becuase few talukas get split.
                Districts get split regularly (every so many years)
                so the district boundary layer in this GADM set is
                quite of date (may apply to 2001 or so). The spatial
                registration (positional accuracy is ~1km, and the
                spatial detail is of course not as good as the
                boundaries given in a Survey of India 50k topo, but
                then that is an unfair standard, so by a more
                generalized standard, the quality is okay.

                Sharad


                On Monday, August 4, 2014 7:20:38 PM UTC+5:30, Dilip
                Damle wrote:

                    Mr Thakkar,

                    Please also look at another post (more than one)
                    on this group  about Taluk Shapefiles by Justin
                    Meyers

                    So far as I know GADM is the source that has
                    Taluk files.
                    I am not sure about its completeness and accuracy
                    as on today

                    http://www.gadm.org/

                    On Monday, August 4, 2014 6:23:07 PM UTC+5:30, D
                    Thakker wrote:

                        thanks Dilip for your hardwork.
                        I have been on a lookout for all taluka /
                        tehsil shape file, so how do I be in a loop
                        as I am very keen to see the repository mail
                        / list.


                        On Monday, August 4, 2014 9:50:26 AM
                        UTC+5:30, Dilip Damle wrote:

                            Sharad,

                            I am working on some things will revert
                            in about a week or may be more.

                            Thejesh,

                            Go ahead,

                            Actually there was one more source a Low
                            Resolution (vertices) District map by VDS
                            technologies.
                            I have it as Polylines in Autocad. I seem
                            to have lost the original file.
                            If anyone has then please share it. (it
                            does not seem to be on their site now)

                            On Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:32:43 PM
                            UTC+5:30, Thejesh GN wrote:

                                Actually its not a bad idea to list
                                it on the wiki. Let me know i will
                                create an account.

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                                On Aug 3, 2014 10:15 PM, "Sharad
                                Lele" <[email protected]> wrote:

                                    Dear Dilip and others:

                                    I have been following this thread
                                    with interest, but to be honest
                                    am a bit lost now. Can someone
                                    post a summary of which maps
                                    mentioned so far have what
                                    features (which coverage,
                                    pertaining to which year, what
                                    attributes (such as census
                                    codes), etc.)? Would be most helpful.

                                    Sharad


                                    On Friday, August 1, 2014 9:03:58
                                    PM UTC+5:30, Dilip Damle wrote:

                                        Hello,

                                        This is an old post.
                                        However this is the
                                        appropriate place to add an
                                        additional source.

                                        I had downloaded the set from
                                        Grid Geneva many years ago.
                                        The original complete source
                                        was named as GNV197 which is
                                        24 MB
                                        Titled as "HUMAN POPULATION
                                        AND ADMINISTRATIVE BOUNDARIES
                                        DATABASE FOR ASIA"
                                        I am attaching the South
                                        Central Asia E00 file.

                                        That set contains The
                                        disputed areas under the
                                        country name IN1 and IN2

                                        This dataset can not be
                                        easily found at present on
                                        the GRID Geneva site
                                        
http://www.grid.unep.ch/index.php?lang=en
                                        in the same name.
                                        may be it is still there
                                        somewhere with some other name.

                                        For copyright check the
                                        metadata file which is here

                                        
http://geonetwork.grid.unep.ch/geonetwork/srv/en/iso19139.xml?id=835

                                        rgds
                                        Dilip Damle

                                        On Wednesday, January 4, 2012
                                        9:52:57 AM UTC+5:30, Karthik
                                        Shashidhar wrote:

                                            All the shapefiles for
                                            India that I have
                                            downloaded do not show
                                            PoK and Aksai Chin as
                                            part of India. Does
                                            anyone here have access
                                            to shapefiles that
                                            include these
                                            territories? Basically
                                            looking to publish
                                            (online) some maps, so
                                            want to make sure that
                                            it's accurate.

                                            (I looked through the
                                            group archives, and all
                                            sources mentioned there
                                            do not show these regions
                                            as part of India)

                                            Thanks
                                            Karthik

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