Hi, just for clarification, can anyone who knows abt it pls elaborate on what is meant by "negative list" ?
I'm assuming right now that it means certain datasets that have to be exempted from disclosure due to national security purposes. But if it's different pls tell. -- Cheers, Nikhil VJ https://nikhilvj.co.in On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 11:54 AM sreeram kandimalla < kandimalla.sree...@gmail.com> wrote: > > NSDI/DST did say in the second RTI that the negative list they published > as part of the new spatial guidelines is their negative list for NDSAP( if > that helps ). > > > > On Sat, 29 Oct, 2022, 8:24 am Arun Ganesh, <arungra...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thank you Sreeram for taking the effort to clarify this using RTI. >> >> Small props to the information officer for constructing new sentences for >> each response instead of copy pasting the same one. >> >> My takeaway is that NDSAP implementation has stalled because there does >> not seem to be a deadline for departments to create a negative list of >> datasets. Which further means that one cannot assume GODL. >> >> With spatial data the new geospatial data regulations at least clarifies >> the negative list. Knowing if we can use the SoI village boundaries >> under GODL since its unrestricted might be a start and could set a >> precedent for other SoI datasets. Would asking this through RTI be >> effective? >> >> On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 9:27 AM sreeram kandimalla < >> kandimalla.sree...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Also another RTI filed asking for the negative lists available with DST >>> for NDSAP got me this response. I thought people here would be interested >>> in knowing. >>> >>> [image: Screenshot 2022-10-25 at 4.05.02 PM.png] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 6:44 PM sreeram kandimalla < >>> kandimalla.sree...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> So, I filed an RTI( my first ) regarding this with DST, which after >>>> being kicked around between DST and MeitY was rejected saying the questions >>>> weren't clear enough. So, I went around looking for more clear questions >>>> from people who actually had some clue of how to interpret these things and >>>> found this interesting discussion about the same question. - >>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:GODL-India#Can_the_user_site_assume_GODL%3F >>>> >>>> >>>> The discussion seemed dead without having ever reached a conclusion. >>>> But, there was some information there about what to ask for in an RTI and I >>>> filed another RTI with those questions, this time I sent it to both the >>>> departments and they promptly forwarded it to Ministry of Railways, which >>>> then pushed it back to DST. In the end I got a response from the >>>> "e-Governance >>>> Group under MeitY" >>>> >>>> Here is the response I got - >>>> >>>> ------- >>>> >>>> 1) Is GODL valid if originally used outside of data.gov.in? >>>> >>>> Reply:GODL is a Gazette Notified document ( >>>> https://data.gov.in/sites/default/files/Gazette_Notification_OGDL.pdf) >>>> and it does apply on the data sets published under NDSAP and through the >>>> OGD Platform. >>>> >>>> 2) Is GODL valid for data formats outside Section 3.2 of Implementation >>>> Guidelines? >>>> >>>> Reply:Section 3.2 of NDSAP recommends that data has to publish on OGD >>>> platform in data formats prevalent in Government. The data formats outside >>>> the above said section are not allowed to be publish on OGD platform. The >>>> Government Open Data License (GODL) does apply on the data sets published >>>> under NDSAP and through the OGD Platform. >>>> >>>> 3) Is section 3.2 of Implementation Guidelines actually being bypassed? >>>> >>>> Reply:Section 3.2 of NDSAP recommends that data has to publish on OGD >>>> platform in data formats prevalent in Government. >>>> >>>> 4) Is Implementation Guidelines mandatory or best practice? >>>> >>>> Reply:The Implementation Guidelines for National Data Sharing and >>>> Accessibility Policy (NDSAP) details out recommendations and operational >>>> procedures for the purpose of implementation of NDSAP by government >>>> agencies. >>>> >>>> 5) Is GODL assumable by re-users for any Govt work found outside the >>>> OGD platform? >>>> >>>> Reply: The Government Open Data License (GODL) does regulate the re-use >>>> of data sets published under NDSAP and through the OGD Platform. >>>> >>>> 6) Are works found in Lok Sabha and other legislative/judicial sites >>>> assumable under GODL? >>>> >>>> Reply: The Government Open Data License (GODL) does apply on the data >>>> sets published under NDSAP and through the OGD Platform. >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> >>>> >>>> I would like some opinion on the response to question no: 5. >>>> >>>> My interpretation is that the response means yes, you can assume GODL, >>>> if the work falls under NDSAP. But, I feel like I am being stonewalled >>>> with grammar and someone parroting the GODL gazette. >>>> >>>> So, can someone with a better grasp of the English language and >>>> Officialese interpret this for me? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Sreeram K >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 6:01 PM Abhishek <a.upper...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good point. One of the documents on Digital India 2.0 talks about >>>>> "Open by default". It talk about an open approach for technologies, tools >>>>> and data. Hopefully this will pave the way for a second version of GoDL. >>>>> >>>>> How about filing an RTI to enquire about this point? >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 7 Aug 2022, 10:05 am Arun Ganesh, <arungra...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This question has arisen more than a few times among the >>>>>> OpenStreetMap India community while looking at sources like >>>>>> Bharatmaps <https://bharatmaps.gov.in/> (NIC), Bhuvan >>>>>> <https://bhuvan-app1.nrsc.gov.in/bhuvan2d/bhuvan/bhuvan2d.php> >>>>>> (ISRO) or Survey of India have published valuable authoritative maps but >>>>>> without any clear licensing terms which makes it unclear if it can be >>>>>> reused. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Per Section 3 of the Government Open Data License - India (GODL) >>>>>> <https://smartcities.data.gov.in/government-open-data-license-india#keygeneration3>:* >>>>>> >>>>>>> Following the mandate of the National Data Sharing and Accessibility >>>>>>> Policy (NDSAP) of Government of India that applies to all shareable >>>>>>> non-sensitive data available either in digital or analog forms but >>>>>>> generated using public funds by various agencies of the Government of >>>>>>> India, and subject to the conditions listed under section 4 and 7 of >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> document, all users are provided a worldwide, royalty-free, >>>>>>> non-exclusive >>>>>>> license to use, adapt, publish (either in original, or in adapted and/or >>>>>>> derivative forms), translate, display, add value, and create derivative >>>>>>> works (including products and services), for all lawful commercial and >>>>>>> non-commercial purposes, and for the duration of existence of such >>>>>>> rights >>>>>>> over the data or information. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Does this mean that it applies to all non sensitive published >>>>>> datasets from Central Government sources by default even without explicit >>>>>> mention on the website? >>>>>> >>>>>> Some clarity on how the NDSAP/GODL License applies to published data >>>>>> will be really useful. >>>>>> >>>>>> Arun >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Datameet is a community of Data Science enthusiasts in India. 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